Jack Tame. Interesting discussion yesterday where we see the weakness & fragility of David Seymour & ACT for their Treaty Principles Bill. Tame finds the core issue is all about translation... obviously a misunderstanding?!? Have been watching the "debate" that Seymour had with an Iwi CEO & a couple of idiots recently. That didn't help at all! This is what we need to see more of... educated & mature argument & discussion with facts! >> https://lnkd.in/gXxh7MHW
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Another great resource on Te Tiriti o Waitangi and the Treaty Principles with Carwyn Jones! In this explanatory video Carwyn covers a range of key questions, such as: In which context was Te Tiriti o Waitangi signed? What is a Treaty? What do the articles of Te Tiriti say? What are the Treaty Principles? How did they develop? What are the strengths and weaknesses of the Principles? What are some examples of the Treaty Principles in use? What might be the impact if the Treaty Principles are substantially redefined? Have a listen and share with those who may find it useful! https://lnkd.in/gRETpABQ
Dr Carwyn Jones - Refresher on the articles of Te Tiriti and an introduction to Treaty Principles.
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This is a fabulously clear overview of te Tiriti, from before its conception through to the applications of the principles in our society today.
Another great resource on Te Tiriti o Waitangi and the Treaty Principles with Carwyn Jones! In this explanatory video Carwyn covers a range of key questions, such as: In which context was Te Tiriti o Waitangi signed? What is a Treaty? What do the articles of Te Tiriti say? What are the Treaty Principles? How did they develop? What are the strengths and weaknesses of the Principles? What are some examples of the Treaty Principles in use? What might be the impact if the Treaty Principles are substantially redefined? Have a listen and share with those who may find it useful! https://lnkd.in/gRETpABQ
Dr Carwyn Jones - Refresher on the articles of Te Tiriti and an introduction to Treaty Principles.
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A very useful resource from a very thoughtful, kind, and intelligent mind:
Another great resource on Te Tiriti o Waitangi and the Treaty Principles with Carwyn Jones! In this explanatory video Carwyn covers a range of key questions, such as: In which context was Te Tiriti o Waitangi signed? What is a Treaty? What do the articles of Te Tiriti say? What are the Treaty Principles? How did they develop? What are the strengths and weaknesses of the Principles? What are some examples of the Treaty Principles in use? What might be the impact if the Treaty Principles are substantially redefined? Have a listen and share with those who may find it useful! https://lnkd.in/gRETpABQ
Dr Carwyn Jones - Refresher on the articles of Te Tiriti and an introduction to Treaty Principles.
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What is the meaning of the word apostille? An apostille is a form of authentication that seeks to simplify the process of legalizing and authenticating public documents so that they can be recognized internationally in foreign countries that are members of the 1961 Hague Convention Treaty.
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Check out this talk I gave about the Treaty Negotiation Framework and Traditional Owner Delegations: https://lnkd.in/gQ4neND8
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The Treaty of Waitangi Principles Bill - the quality of Ministry of Justice advice. Last night a Newshub story featured material from the Ministry of Justice released by the Waitangi Tribunal that criticised the Treaty Principles Bill's interpretation of the Treaty/Tiriti (see attached clip). I have no particular axe to grind on this issue. I just want an informed public discussion about the meaning of the Treaty as I believe it is critical to our future to have such a discussion. With this in mind, earlier in the year I requested under the Official Information Act all substantive analysis by the Ministry of Justice in the past 10 years on the meaning of the Treaty and the Treaty principles. The reply I received was that NO substantive analysis had been undertaken. Given this answer, I really do question the Ministry's capacity to say anything meaningful on the Treaty to Ministers. This is very disappointing as there is so much material that could have usefully been prepared for Ministers to help facilitate a constructive public discussion about the various interpretations of the Treaty. Disclosure: I have previously been a Ministry of Justice employee.
Seymour accuses Waitangi Tribunal of meddling after making Treaty Principles docs public | Newshub
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Treaty Principles Explainer – New resource In the lead up to the introduction of the Treaty Principles Bill to parliament, it is important we continue learning and sharing trusted information about the principles and how they work. What are the Treaty principles? In 1840, leaders of hapū and Crown representatives signed Te Tiriti o Waitangi - it consists of a preamble and articles. The principles of the Treaty are the key ideas underpinning the treaty, they are a distillation of the full meanings and intentions of the full texts of Te Tiriti and the Treaty. Treaty principles have not been determined in agreement with hapū; however, they have been developed by people with expertise in the wording and context of Te Tiriti, by the Courts and the Waitangi Tribunal. Since the 1980s, Parliament has also included “the principles of the Treaty” in many laws as a means of enacting its treaty obligations. Work undertaken by the Courts, the Waitangi Tribunal and historians over the last nearly 50 years has grown the understanding of the meaning of Te Tiriti itself and of Treaty principles. The Tribunal’s most recent determination on Treaty principles made in relation to Te Raki [Northern] Māori states: “The principles must be based in the actual agreement entered into in 1840...” and therefore, if the Crown wants to clarify or redefine Treaty Principles, it must do that in agreement with hapū and iwi leaders. To learn more about the Treaty Principles and actions you can take, visit our recent resource here:
Treaty Principles Explainer - Groundwork
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Check out this video about the Minimum Standards for the First Peoples' Assembly of Victoria to enter into Statewide Treaty under the Treaty Negotiations Framework: https://lnkd.in/gAMZfD3w
Rueben Berg talks about the Statewide Treaty Minimum Standards
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The Treaty Principles Bill 2024 (TPB) passed it's first reading in the House of Parliament on Thursday 14th November 2024. The Treaty of Waitangi, signed in 1840 is New Zealand's founding document. Written in both English and Maori, there is still disagreement about the exact meaning of the Treaty amongst Maori. Essentially the Treaty states that Maori from that date in 1840 ceded sovereignty to the British Crown in return for the protection of their land and possessions and endowment of all the rights and responsibilities of British subjects. The official wording of the Treaty of Waitangi can be read here: https://lnkd.in/gM4vGqEB. For those who want to read more on the Treaty Principles Bill 2024, it can be read here: https://lnkd.in/gcHpZTnV. Despite a law passed in 1975 attempting to define Treaty 'Principles' for the first time in legislation. However since then, the official interpretation of these Principles has evolved and changed through case law. Because these principles are now written into many important laws in the country, that has led to the current governments' legislative push to define and clarify these principles. The other alternative supported by NZ First and National is that references to The Treaty of Waitangi Principles be removed from all laws completely.
To repeat, the Treaty principles bill is constitutionally misconceived because it muddles descriptive (things as they are) and normative (things as they might/should be) norms. 🤓 Current references to Treaty principles are descriptive; ie, they signal situations where practical meaning of te Tiriti / the Treaty are to be applied or given effect to. Thus, the focus for govt/courts/tribunal is on the source meaning read in current circumstances. The Treaty principles bill is normative; ie, it purports to say what ACT thinks the meaning of te Tiriti *should* be in their eyes, eg formal equality etc. However, the bill leaves te Tiriti / the Treaty and its meaning intact, thereby creating constitutional incongruity.
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The Treaty Principles Bill: two great interviews today by Jack Tame on Q&A with Debbie Ngarewa-Packer and David Seymour. Here are some quick thoughts: David Seymour: continues to refuse to admit that he is changing the meaning of the Treaty (just says that the principles he is advocating for are what they 'should' be) or that as a 'contract' between two parties both parties should agree to any redefinition of its meaning. I have sympathy with Seymour's desire for debate about the issues, but debate requires him to be honest. Debbie Ngarewa-Packer: continues to refuse to specify what a country of two 'Sovereigns' looks like - this needs to be spelled out if we are to have an honest debate. She has begun stating that the Atlas network is behind the Bill and that therefore indigenous people are our last protection against international corporate interests. She needs to spell out what the network is and whether it really is some massive neoliberal plot at work in NZ if she is to persuade those undecided about the Bill (I recall Chris Trotter thought this was a conspiracy theory). Jack Tame: a fantastic interviewer - it was a real slam-dunk bringing up the Ngai Tahu Treaty Settlement's promise of rangatiratanga over 90% of the South Island (Seymour's principle 2 recognises exisiting Treaty settlements so the use of 'rangatiratanga' in settlements arguably undoes any intent to resolve these issues). But he did illustrate how even the well-informed still can misunderstand the history; he insisted on using the English text of the Treaty with David Seymour as a guide to understanding Article 2 in te reo (on the basis that the te reo version was drafted from the English text) - this is wrong as the English draft on which the te reo text was based is lost and the English version we have came second. A curiousity: is the Court part of the Crown? As one of the three branches of Government I have always thought it was. So Tame's argument that the Court was the right place to determine the meaning of the Treaty because it wasn't the Crown seems incorrect to me. But he gave me pause for thought. Technically there should be some fully independent dispute resolution mechanism if there are two Sovereignties. Summary from OneNews in the Link - it will have links to the full interviews if interested.
ACT leader optimistic on future of his Treaty principles stance
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