Y'all...there seem to be a lot of rumors going around about "BIG PRICE INCREASES" from heat pump manufacturers in conjunction with the new refrigerants (R-32 and R-454b) that will be used for equipment manufactured 1/1/2025 and beyond (some equipment is already in production). But at least so far, we're not seeing these price spikes in reality. Price increases for the first batch of R-32 equipment models from our Daikin distributor look to be quite modest...yielding about +$200 per average heat pump system to the bottom line of a quote to a client. This doesn't seem very scary! What is everyone else seeing? Real prices only. No rumors.
John B.
2mo
Our costs for 454b equipment are 22% above 410a equipment.
Adam Hunniford
2mo
Makes no difference to me. We were quoted about $40k for a heat pump system. Any increases just make it even less likely to happen in our house!
Andrew Shaw
2mo
John Semmelhack Would you happen to have any connections or know someone who may know someone in central Florida area? Ran across a gentleman through Ecobee who has a Bosch IDS 2.0 system and needs help from a professional in that area. Thanks!
What is that MASSIVE borg cube?
Jake Douglas
2mo
I just want to know how to make them go down 🙃
David Holtzclaw
2mo
Slightly higher in the upper midwest (~8-10%), but yes, not a huge spike. However, installation costs are increasing at a higher rate (~15-25%). HVAC contractors still trying to discourage ASHP. however, some hvac contractors are encouraging GSHP and consumers are eating it up with the 30% tax credit. We are seeing lots of interest in GSHP particularly for retrofits for well-to-do clients.
Assuming you are across the Atlantic but the prices of the new Freon systems have progressively pole vaulted in the USA since 2000 when 134 was being phased out due to ozone concerns. 15 years ago, 3 tonne 15 seer unit (condenser) went for about $4k installed. Now, that similar unit in current Freon is $12-$14k, I call this post Covid price gouging! Also, during this period, A/C majors like Carrier, Trane, Ruud, others turned their in-house mfg to CR Goodman which has since been taken over by Foreign owned Daikin. Maybe part of a master plan? More American jobs down the tubes as this massive plant in Cypress TX will no doubt have a limited shelf life???
Connor Dillon
2mo
FWIW, $200 is still a lot for some folks. I've had conversations recently that even that is make-or-break for folks.
Laurence Cox
2mo
$200 isn’t a small amount of money. It’s essentially a tax on those who can least afford it.
Ultra gerald22esa@gmail.com - Residential ultra-high efficiency Cool Heat + hot water production . Ultra-starts where others loose site of Efficiency .
2moTell me that is NOT a heat pump sitting alongside and Hvac , both connected to power both producing heat and cool and both wasting half of the power a person pays for , Energy suppliers must love fools like us . now look at the brand names ?