Really Stupid Advice for Job Seekers!
Somethings aggravate me. Having a difference of opinion with someone is not one of them. By all means, disagree with me. After all, someone has to be wrong and I am happy to provide my detractors with the opportunity to secure that position.
As the late great Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan famously said, "You are entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts."
Everything that I am about to recall was, at the time, my opinion. Those who disagreed with me then were wrong. I was right then and I still am right today. I am not perfect but if you are a job seeker, disagree with me about the following at your own peril.
So, what is one of those things to which I just alluded that aggravates me? Stupidity!
I was participating on a panel with two other career counselors. We were all asked if we would critique audience members' resumes. We all agreed. The first person to volunteer to present us with his resume, gave it to the woman seated at the far left. (I was seated at the far right.) She praised his resume and passed it to the person on her right who congratulated him on the excellent job he had done creating the document which, they both agreed, guaranteed him interviews (which, of course, is the purpose of a resume). Then it was my turn. (Not to get ahead of myself, but the important point here to note is that most people do not carefully read resumes.) I said,
This resume is garbage. I have no idea what my colleagues on the dais are talking about, but this resume is worthless. Looking at the two of them I continued, How is anyone supposed to contact him, and why would they want to, if he didn't bother to include contact information on his resume? No phone number. No email address. (Don't laugh; this happens more often than you think!)
And that, my friends, is one way to end a panel discussion (and get a few new career counseling clients - including the man who, when one of the women protested that I had embarrassed him, replied, "No. I embarrassed myself!") Here's another:
The discussion was between the director of career counseling for a private technical school and myself. We were discussing how candidates should raise the issue of health problems. His advice was to wait until an offer was made and then to let the employer know about the issue and the reasonable accommodate that the candidate would require.
I looked at him like he was crazy.
So you are saying that a candidate should refrain from sharing material information with an employer until the very last moment? That the candidate should make it appear that they are playing legal games to set the employer up for a law suit? No. If that's the way the candidate acts when they are working for themselves, that's the way they will act when working for the employer. It's dishonest, unethical and immoral and no one is going to want to work with them, meaning the employer, if that's the type of person they hire. That candidate will cost an employer business.
If it were up to me, I would withdraw the offer of employment on the spot. Not for health reasons; for moral and ethical reasons.
The proper way to handle health issues is for the candidate to say, at the start of the very first meeting, "I know you can't ask so I am volunteering the information. I have a health issue. This is what it is. This is what it means. This is the accommodation I will need and I hope you consider it 'reasonable.' "
(For the record, when someone has a health issue, employers have to offer a "reasonable" accommodation to allow them to do the job. The definition of "reasonable" is open to legal interpretation.)
My way, and I know this works because my clients have done it, results in the employer seeing that the person is honest and upfront - exactly the type of person they want on their team representing their company. And they get the job offer. Keeping secrets is always bad.
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Two persons came to me fresh out of college for career counseling. Good degrees. Good grades. Good resumes. The first worked during college. I was surprised that she had not had any jobs before college. She had. When I asked her about it she replied,
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I was told not to include on my resume that I had been a waitress all through high school. They said it would not look good as it was "just" a high school job.
Stupidity! Being a server is a great job. You have to have stellar customer service skills. You have to know math. You have to be able to remain focused and not allow yourself to be distracted. (Can you carry a heavy tray through a gauntlet of customers, who are not looking out for you, or themselves, without dropping the tray? Forget about today, I don't think I could have done it when I was in high school.) If you were a server, especially if it was a job you had at the same restaurant throughout high school, put it on your resume! If you were that responsible during your youth, you must be even more so now!
The second college graduate also had a good resume, good education, good grades. What surprised me was that he had not had any internships. When I asked him about it he said,
I had multiple internships, both during the school year and all summer breaks. But I was told not to include them on the resume because they would make the resume two-pages long!
Stupidity! Whoever it was who said a resume can only be one-page in length should be hung, shot, drawn and quartered, and forced to read everything I have ever written (the ultimate "cruel and unusual punishment.") A lousy one-page resume will not be read. A substantive two- or even three-page resume will be read with gusto.
Lastly, when I was speaking at the New York Public Library, a woman raised her hand:
I was here yesterday and heard a different recruiter. He said that a candidate should never thank an interviewer for interviewing them because it shows that the candidate is in a subservient position to the employer.
I had to stop and think about that one. I froze on the stage. I replayed in my head what she had said. I looked at literally everyone in the room and they were all doing the same thing, looking at me with an equally confused expression on their faces. Then I said,
That has to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard. (Everyone laughed! It was the best round of laughter I ever received as a public speaker.) You always thank the interviewer. It's the polite and practical thing to do. And not only at the end of the interview, but also in a subsequent email. Of course the candidate is subservient to the employer. The only time they become equals is when the employer makes an offer and then, as equals, they start negotiating.
The woman said she had a feeling the person she had referenced did not know of what he spoke. The same was true in all the other cases. My advice is simple: Just as if an offer sounds too good to be true, it probably is, if you know in your gut that the advice you are being given is stupid and idiotic, go with your gut, not the advice.
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2yBruce Hurwitz, Ph.D. great article! My question is should a candidate consider a resume with several years of experience if they are older? What about experience that isn't recent but relevant? Is there a cutoff on how far back a resume should go? What about work while attending college? How do you get a professional job based on education and relevant but different experiences? Thank you for your insights!
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2yWhat a great article! Thank you! I've been recruiting for 25 years and not do career strategy mentoring, and I'm amazed by how the bad advice exceeds the good advice...and the bad advice typically comes from people who are well-intentioned, but have no recruiting experience.
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2yI agree with everything you said, except the time to disclose a health condition. Unless a candidate needs an accommodation DURING the interview process, they should wait until they have a written offer on the table. I'll go even further and say that a pregnant woman should never disclose her pregnancy during the interview/offer process. I say this because it is a FACT that discrimination exists; it is perfectly reasonable to ask their recruiter about family leave policies, but it should have no bearing on a hiring decision. If a company withdraws an offer after a disclosure, they SHOULD face legal repercussions.
"The most obvious things are often right there, but you don't think about them because you've narrowed your vision." - Steven Levitt That is why I have great respect for you Bruce. You see the Bigger Picture which means thinking about how actions can affect the overall success of a project or company aim, rather than focusing on minor details. Chag Pesach Sameach! ✡
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2yMornin' Bruce --- What a great article, and what great advice. I especially want to say "amen" to your comments on resume page length. I can't speak for other areas of the country, but a couple of years ago I checked the US Constitution, the Ohio Revised Code, and the City of Columbus Charter, and nowhere did I find a requirement that a resume must be a certain page length (just yesterday I finished drafting a sample 3-page mid-level resume, and a resume I'm most proud of was a 4-pager some 10 years ago for a mid-level career-changer who was applying for an NGO position overseas). On a more serious note, may I assume that an individual who has just been released from jail or prison also makes this known up-front to potential employers, in the same way, and for the same reason, that you detail in this article's health issue, or, would you advise a different approach?