Instantaneous Winds
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Instantaneous Winds

The NTSB published its final report of a 2022 runway excursion of a Hawker 800XP in Aspen, CO. They determined the probable cause was "The flight crew's improper decision to take off in tailwind conditions that exceeded the airplane's performance capabilities, which resulted in a runway overrun following an aborted takeoff."

The captain reported the airplane and runway were clear of any contaminants and all pre-takeoff checks were normal. When the airplane was cleared to taxi, the reported wind was from 170° at 18 knots and gusting to 30 kts. During the takeoff clearance for runway 33, the air traffic control tower reported the wind was from 160° at 16 knots, gusting to 25 knots, and the instantaneous wind was from 180° at 10 knots.

The captain performed a static takeoff and, at rotation speed, applied back pressure on the yoke; however, the airplane would not become airborne. The captain reported, "the yoke did not have any air resistance or any pressure on it as we experience normally in Hawkers." After a few seconds and without any indication the airplane would take off, the captain aborted the takeoff and the airplane went off the end of the runway into the snow.

The NTSB noted in the final report that the "instantaneous wind" term is not defined in any FAA publication. "Because the ambiguous term is not defined in available resources, pilots that infrequently operate at that airport are likely not familiar with the definition and potential operational impact." The NTSB went on to comment the "flight crew failed to consider the constant wind conditions that were above the maximum tailwind limitation and decided to attempt the takeoff once they received an instantaneous wind report that did not exceed the tailwind limitation."

In Advanced Aircrew Academy's training modules, we review the various types of wind reports a flight crew can receive and how those wind reports are generated. When multiple reports are received with differing information, it is important to consider all sources along with visual indications (windsock) to base your decisions on.

  • METAR reports are a 10‑minute average wind.
  • ATIS or tower reports updating METAR information is a two‑minute average wind.
  • ATIS or tower reported gust is the wind peak value during the past 10‑minute period.
  • ATIS broadcast is updated when the wind direction changes by more than 30 degrees or if the wind velocity changes by more than five knots over a five‑minute time period.
  • If an instantaneous wind reading is desired and is requested from ATC, the phraseology "instant wind" should be used in the request. ATC may provide instant wind information without request under shifting/gusting wind conditions.
  • Instantaneous is measured in last three seconds.
  • Internal Reference System (IRS) in the cockpit is near‑real‑time wind.
  • Flight Management System (FMS) is a 30‑second‑average wind.

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Tony Marotta

Director of Aviation | G550 • Global 6000

1y

Thank you for this! I just learned a few things about wind reports!

John Robert Ball

Captain- PIC at Flexjet (Retired)

1y

We are not alliwed to accept

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How could they do that to a beautiful Hawker 😥

Stefano Conte

Air Traffic Controller | MSc Human Factors in Aviation | Private Pilot | Registered Meteorologist | Conference Speaker

1y

Additionally, flight crews often don’t consider the wind intensity rounding. When we give the wind value together with takeoff/landing clearance it doesn’t include the gust unless the gust is 10kts or more greater than the average value (e.g. when ATC says wind 360 at 15kts, the actual value can be up to 24kts)

Mark Foster

Captain at Thrive Aviation

1y

‘Inertial’ Reference System (IRS), there, I fixed it. And I have two other ‘instantaneous’ thoughts. One, why am I just learning these bullet points about winds now, after 50 years of flying, and, two, there’s a flipside when these 10 minute or three minute constant (average) winds are actually within takeoff and/or landing limitations, but momentary wind changes come up and cause the problem. I wonder if the NTSB investigators could determine the exact momentary wind direction and speed at the aircraft during the takeoff roll. I just diverted from the approach to Aspen Tuesday because the changing wind reports made a landing unpredictable.

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