The Real Truth on Doing SEO for Clients
Clients often employ SEO agencies or Freelance SEO experts to do SEO for them which is always good for people who provide SEO services but what are they actually getting for that money. The real truth about doing SEO’s for clients is that it can be a bit of a nightmare.
I do have a handful of clients I do SEO for and will always be happy to do SEO for these guys because I’m simply allowed to get on with the job, but from time to time I do get some clients come to me asking about SEO and they get confused as to why I decline to do the work.
Sure offering anyone money to provide a service they offer seems like a done deal? It is not really like that in the world of SEO, there are many problems that can happen when taking on a new SEO client. I’m listing a few of them below so that people can understand it from the SEO’s point of view. As doing SEO for a high number of clients is impossible unless you have the right set-up and structure in place.
Expectation of Success
When working with a new client who has next to no idea what’s involved in internet marketing you can be sure that the expectation level in almost every case is going to be highly unrealistic. What happens is the client comes on board and gives you exactly what they want to rank for. After 2 or 3 months if they are not ranking position 1 on page 1 for every single one of them, the moaning starts.
Part of the original proposal is that there is NOT a focus on one particular keyword, the job is to get more traffic to clients websites via a number of different keywords, and at times a number of different sources too, whether that be social media, AdWords and SEO.
Clients want Reports, Communication & Changes all the time
When pricing an SEO package it is very hard, I need to take into consideration how much time and effort is going to have to be put into rank well in the niche I’m quoting on. Now there are tools available to do competitor analysis, keyword research and all of that type of thing which means that this can be done quickly.
An SEO will use such tools to save time and automate some of the research that goes in by choosing to use whatever tools they want to use.
What I can’t quote accurately for is the amount of time that goes into working out how different clients want to know different things, they want to dig deep into what’s involved in SEO and some of them even ask for weekly updates ( that isn’t a joke ). Now clients do deserve a report monthly or quarterly whichever you agree too, but do you need weekly communication, do you need the interruptions when the phone goes for the client to ask the most bizarre question going? Can’t the client understand that the SEO guy might not want to answer the phone whilst he is in the middle of doing some work.
I do SEO for myself alongside doing work for clients, the great thing is when I rank my own sites, I don’t get the calls, emails or have to do any reporting, which allows me more time to crack on and do some valuable work on my websites.
I suspect that around 40% of most clients budgets can be spent on things that offer no value to the client. By that I mean there is so much time being spent reporting, answering questions and doing general admin duties which as a result take up a whole lot of time that isn’t actually being spent marketing the clients business a lot of it is pure admin and appearance work.
Even Big Companies Make Mistakes
I’m asked regularly to do website audits or consultancy work on websites that are in a lot of cases not ranking as well as they should be. Some of these companies turn over millions of pounds but end up running into problems because of things like :
- The bosses nephew or some bloke down the pub was building the links
- The company employed someone who read an SEO book for a couple of hours and took 3k a month of them for doing nothing at all
- Or the company wanted so much reporting done the SEO guy had no time left in the day to do any work
There is a massive need for good honest SEO people who are able to provide a good job, so you need to be careful when doing work for clients as it is very easy to get bogged down with certain clients.
Provide SEO Services to Clients
So to make it big in the SEO world and build up a business doing SEO for a high number of clients is likely to result in failure, you should probably stick to doing a lower amount of clients that value your service. If you do down the route of working with a high number of clients you can basically :
- Stop being your own boss
- Start to spend huge amounts of time messing about with client communication, reports and any other issues that may crop up
- If you are really good you will catch 1 in every 5 quotes you send out
- Get loads of grief for issues that are probably nothing to do with you such as domain names and web hosting problems, in fact expect to get dragged into any mess going as you are expected to be the IT whizzkid just because you do SEO
- Earn substantially less that you could if you actually do SEO for yourself.
Some Examples of Unrealistic Expectations
In recent weeks I’ve had a chap who sells Paper Cups approach me to do SEO for him, he told me he loved my blog liked my approach and we chatted about SEO for about 45 minutes. The conclusion was someone has been charging him 1k per month and not got them onto page 1. They had fairly decent ranks though and it did appear there was some genuine graft put in. I’m my opinion they needed some decent relevant links as all onsite SEO looked in decent shape.
Spoke with the client, said he can pay 1 month in advance, ill get him ranking and agreed to go ahead. After day 1, I get a call, how are things progressing? I politely told him to give us half a chance and had another hour telling him about timescales, how we need to wait for Google to crawl and index links and all of the usual stuff.
Day 2 : Another call, asking me about some Amazon sales, setting up a page on there to sell his cups and if we could do all of the graphic work. ( I’m thinking this clearly isn’t SEO ) go do this yourself or get someone else to do it. But the guy seemed as if he had lost trust so stupidly i agreed to help with this.
Day 5 : He calls, he says he uses some cheap and nasty backlink checker ( not even one I’d heard of ) and that he can’t see any backlinks being added. ( Guys clearly not got a clue ) as if any SEO would show him that.
Day 6 : He calls, talks again for about 45 minutes, saying he needs to prove to his finance director he’s got the right SEO guy, and that could I possibly show him some backlinks i have built. I politely told him to judge me on rankings and that if he wanted to go and buy links and get a spreadsheet with that data then he could go and use one of the usual link builders that provide you with the trashy links they have got you.
Day 7 : I had to shoot the guy an email telling him that he is not going to be wasting any more of my time and that he can go and seek someone who can provide all of this free time. This guy wanted to talk all day every day ( he even wanted to go on skype ) sat with his little headset on chatting crap to me about nothing to do with SEO.
The truth was with this guy, I never actually got paid anything at all, I didn’t start any work as I don’t until people pay, but wasted about 10 + hours on someone who clearly has no clue about Internet Marketing or what’s involved or what to expect. I appreciate he may have had his fingers burnt, but this type of client just cannot work. How do you price that, you would need to be an SEO, Web Designer, Graphic Designer, Business Consultant, and you would need to be charging him way more than the £500 per month budget he put on the table to get some link building done.
So the real truth behind what you are getting when you do SEO in 2016 is that you are going to have a hard time with many clients out there who have unrealistic expectations, or bog you down with every other problem their business has. How you manage that is the hard part, of course there is some great customers out there who have a genuine SEO requirement and will allow you to do your job effectively but just be careful you get more of this type of client than the other type as the majority of your time will be spent doing SEO reporting and communicating with clients to a point where no work gets done.
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8yThe fault is sometimes with some SEO Folks , who tel clients they can give them Instant report . In a Competitive Search auction some SEO folks will still say the client site will Rank in 3 weeks ! That is so pathetic ! Are they Google ? When this kind of expectations are created the Good SEO guys become doubted , clients no longer want to trust them . I remember working with my First Client a Data Recovery Company in my geographical Location Nigeria . I offered them this SEO Service and then got a message from the Boss saying they got a mail from some Indian's that there websites can get ranked on First page in 3 months . Well the question i asked is How can they be so sure the site will rank on First page in 3 months time ? Are they Google ? Do they want to use Black hat techniques? I simply told them the hazards of using Blackhats and that patience is the most significant aspect of SEO ,i had to risk assuring them they will Rank on First page before 8 months . Well i did the Good Job on the site ! In Six months time there site was on Position 8 on First page for Several Long tail Keywords for "Data Recovery" then the boss again came to Challenge me that , Hey SEO guy my site is still on number 8 Position ,why is it not on Position number 1-3 . I smiled and assured him that very soon they will be ranked 1-3 but also made him to understand that am not Google , but i did what was proper to enable the Site to Rank . Here we go there site Appears 1-3 for Most of there keywords like : "Data Recovery Company in Nigeria" "Data Recovery training in Nigeria"and more than 50 Ranked Keywords. There sales have increased drastically and they are happy with my SEO Service .
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8yAlways love your brutally honest take on things Craig!
Marketing Consultant at Bumble and Bloom Media | Owner of Chloe Hall Design
8yTotally get it - thanks for sharing the real truth as sometimes people in our position (providing a service that can sometimes seem mysterious) expect results daily or weekly. I'm working on a case of trying to boost customer engagement online but have very tight "rules" about what I can and can't do. Naturally, there are only so many tools in my toolbox and with 4/5 of them taken out due to a fear or misunderstanding of internet marketing I am trying to be extra creative to get results, but ultimately it's great to be left "alone" to do your thing!
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8yGood read that
Customer Growth Coach & Speaker | Podcast Host | 4 x Business Book Author - Empowering UK & US Established Small Businesses to Generate Positive Impact by Unlocking Their Customer Growth Potential (Since 2001)
8yHi Craig, Over the years, I have come across every scenario (and plenty of more) that you describe above. Some SEO's will probably tell you that you should always set goals and client expectations before you start a campaign but in my experience, even when you do that, there will always be some clients who are going to be difficult to handle. The last example you gave of the guy who called you up every day is a type of person I have dealt with many times. The fact here is simply that the guy who you communicate is under so much pressure from his directors to get results that it creates panic. The way I work with all my clients is to simply say, I charge £XX per hour. The more hours you invest, the more time I am able to dedicate to helping you grow your business. The client then sets their own budget and away we go. Depending on the budget will determine the expected timescale of securing results. By working in this way, if the client does request weekly reports, they can have them BUT I explain that I can provide such reports but would you not rather me spend my time in securing results instead of reports as it will be taken out of your allocated number of hours? You can imagine, nine times out of ten, they will always change their mind. It has been a good read and you will never be able to please every prospect. It is down to you if you want to work with them or not. For me, I pick and choose who I work with and I do turn down work all the time.