Understanding the original Fishbone Diagram

Understanding the original Fishbone Diagram

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Frequently, I ran into people who proudly presented the “fishbone” diagram. They have spent hours, if not days, in a meeting room brainstorming ideas. I always get into conflict with such people. The brainstorming was done, ignoring the actual condition of the factory. Nothing but collections of bias. Did they really understand what Ishikawa was saying? Did Ishikawa intend such a tool?



Kaoru Ishikawa was an academic who focused on Quality Control and Quality Management. His core message is “Build in quality by design and process control. Not by inspection.” He questioned the traditional inspection approach on quality. He criticizes traditional Japanese management of “Tunnel command” (Layers of managers repeating the exact words.), Spiritual management (Just slogans), and Force management (Just getting the numbers). 🤔 Sounds familiar outside of Japan, too. He is asking deep questions about the management 【管理】.



His thinking on quality management was the following.

  1. Define objective and target ⬅️ Direction (Housin) ⬅️ Information & Research
  2. Define the methods (Standards) to accomplish the objective
  3. Education & training
  4. Execute
  5. Check
  6. Action
  7. Check the results of the action

The “Fishbone” diagram was originally designed for step 2, not step 6.



It is essential to note the original Japanese name that Ishikawa gave. It is called 特性要因図.

特性 = Characteristic

要因 = Determiner, Factor

As a quality expert, he explains the importance of understanding the “Quality characteristics” that the customer needs. This diagram explains to accomplish specific quality characteristics what are the contributing factors. And then, he challenges the standards for each factor. He mentions Work standards, technology standards, design standards, job requirements, etc.

  1. Do we have a standard for each and every factor?
  2. Are the standards correct?
  3. Can we perform the way standards state?
  4. Are we following these standards?
  5. Are there any contradictions among the standards?

In other words, he was using this diagram to highlight the quality management system.



Here’s an episode of Ishikawa explaining how he came up with the “Fishbone diagram.”

“When I (Ishikawa) was teaching at the university in 1950, I had to distinguish the objective/target (Characteristics) and factors. This is why I can up with the diagram. In 1952, I introduced at Kawasaki Steel, which helped first with standardization and other things.”

Note here that he used this diagram first to standardize.



I found millions of problems with this diagram when I tried such a standardization method.

Very often, we find out that we don’t actually have a standard.

“An operator made a mistake.”

“Ok, where is the work standard?”

“We don’t have it, but the experienced one can do without it.”

“We should document the correct method. By the way, the defect was made by an experienced one.”

“…”

And then, as we investigated the problem, we found out that the operator was following an outdated standard set five years ago. But why was the operator miss informed? As we investigated, they changed the materials but did not inform the operator or the machine (later, we found problems with the machine). It was a classic example of what Ishikawa was trying to solve, understanding the link between the factors and standards. We should confirm that all other factors are aligned when you change one. Unless you know the relationships, you continue to do guessing, skipping many factors.



Today, you might not see such use of the “Fishbone diagram.” Why? Because the table version of the “Fishbone diagram” is similar to the Failure Mode and Effects Analysis (FMEA). But how often do you run into an FMEA which does not consider all factors? How often do you see an FMEA which misses the connections among the factors? There are some values to visualize in such a diagram.



I have not used the word “Brainstorming,” but I will post about that on a separate topic.



Reference; Kaoru Ishikawa “Introduction to Quality Control (Third edition)” 1989.

DJ Duarte

Global Optimization Expert & Lean Leadership Coach at Makoto Flow, Ltd. (+16.9K Connections)

1y

This Quality Control tool, one of seven as you clearly shared Hide Oba is so much more powerful when you use the "opportunity" perspective vice the "problem" perspective. Back in the 80's I learned it as part of the Process Management Model (PMM) in TQM along with the Seven Management & Planning (MP) tools...7 QC + 7 MP. Great Stuff... 😎

Rick Ball

Highly Accomplished Senior Manufacturing, Tooling and Quality Engineer (incl. IATF Internal Auditor) looking for a great new opportunity.

1y

I love the Fishbone. The first time I saw it I thought it was ridiculous, then I saw how it works and now I even use it at home, seriously. It is very important to involve others to construct it, so using it at home is a little timely, as my canine is still learning the rules of brainstorming. 😉

Eric Crudo

Strategy & Business Transformation Leader | Helping organizations to deploy strategy and achieve their potential

1y

Great post and thank you for sharing. It's new learning for me and highlights how the fishbone is often used today in comparison to its original intent.

Jamie Flinchbaugh

Author of People Solve Problems: The Power of Every Person, Every Day, Every Problem

1y

Excellent share. I had either not known this or forgot it. I have used fishbone as a design tool, meaning to lay out all the influencing factors over the design outcomes desired. This is a broader reminder that we often throw tools and techniques around with high idealism as if there is one right way, forgetting that the “right away” often isn’t the original way. 8 step problem solving is one of these as the “only” way to solve problems yet it’s not how Toyota got their start, but what they evolved into.

Eduardo Muniz

GM/Strategic Change Consulting Practice Lead at The Advantage Group, Inc.

1y

Hide Oba It certainly was aimed to encourage employee participation to solve problems

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