Why I Disagree with Stan, The Annuity Man
I'm more concerned about the dying patient on the operating table.

Why I Disagree with Stan, The Annuity Man

A recent post by annuity industry leader, Sheryl J. Moore linked to a ThinkAdvisor interview of Stan Haithcock, known professionally as Stan The Annuity Man. It's a good interview that spans a number of annuity-related topics. I want to focus on the headline, "Wrap Fees on Indexed Annuities Are ‘Ridiculous,’ Stan the Annuity Man Says."

RIAs charging wrap fees on indexed annuities? Or even other types of annuities? Bring it on! Look, my concern is for the health and growth of the annuity industry. Before I die, I'd like to see annuities move from niche to mainstream products, sought after protection products with genuine consumer demand. I absolutely believe this is possible, and when it happens, it will substantially benefit consumers as well as every annuity industry participant.

Remember when ETFs were niche products? I remember when index funds were niche products? Look at what happened as both became consumer-demanded, mainstream products. It should be exactly the same for annuities.

Stan claims to be the largest producer of annuities in the U.S. I don't doubt his claim. But I bet he would love to triple his sales. This is where his views on RIA compensation and mine collide.

Today, we have a loony situation where most RIAs reflexively eschew annuities. This is tragic, and it places RIAs in a vulnerable position in terms of retaining clients' assets long-term. Honestly, if advisors ignore their clients' longevity risk, they deserve to lose their assets.

I'm on the record in two dozen articles asserting this. I even coined the term "Longevicide" to describe the loss of assets due to RIA's failure to address longevity. I've also taken a strong public position that failure to recommend annuities to Constrained Investors is breach of the RIA's fiduciary duty.

For me, what matters most is what is practical and in the best interests of consumers. In-fighting over how various categories of "advisors" are paid is inside baseball stuff that wastes our time. While we argue about whose compensation scheme is "best," the neglected patient is dying on the operating table. Which statement is more important?

  • RIAs finally addressing longevity and other risks that imperil their clients'' retirement security?

or...

  • Criticizing RIAs for charging wrap fees on annuities?

I believe that all advisors must be paid for their recommendations and services. Frankly, I don't care how they charge. In a perfect world, with a sane and fair regulatory framework, a single, agreed-upon compensation scheme might evolve. But we are a long way from that. In the meantime, all annuity industry participants shou be rooting for wide adoption of annuities in the RIA channel.

Why root for this? Because when RIAs move to embrace annuities, the consumer press will follow. When that happens, we will see the ignition of true consumer demand, as the process of annuities becoming mainstream unfolds. The dawning of a beautiful new world.

ETFs and index funds show the way.

Stan Haithcock , if you read this and disagree with me, please comment.

Lori J

Business to Business/Consumer Insight

4mo

As a lone retiree and I mean that in the sense of addressing the "/pathway /landscape" of advisors and investing. I don't believe any of these so called investment/retiree solutions are even close to protecting ones corpus. Instead the drain, the encroachment of the fallout of real life aka legal system and it's influence of family lawyers,the legal system, advantageous towards fees and not protection of their clients in divorce. Taking the hard earned monies continues It's sickening n meanwhile overwhelmed/overrun fr runin' fr legal flaws n dealing w/loss fr poor representation of advisors. One, investor/retiree, work w/ cert and one w/ a plethora of certs w/CPE requirements, like CPAs shld be one's safety and invest protect growth b the advisor to hire. These issues b addressed, in the meantime retirees are tired and wish to enjoy the what's left of fruits and time to rest and joy. I fight in dangerous territory regards to keeng my assets n investing wisely. I'm not looking for advrd w/mkt who r to protect. We develop exposition. I hear an honorary/ last yrs of life destroyed fr Edward Jones, Merrill Lynch etc And Family Lawyers, gutting hard working assets purposefully w/brokerage firms of insider n proprietary prod

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Sikander Lodhi (Money Doctor) FRC, RSSA, CFEd.

Father | Veteran | Helping to build & protect wealth for families!

1y

David, thanks for sharing! It is an interesting perspective.

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Jason Caudill, MBA

My Annuity Store, Inc. We Make Annuities Easy Because Retirement Isn't Supposed to Be Hard

1y

In many cases a commission based fixed annuity is superior to a fee based option- that is assuming a modest fee of 1 or 1.25%. Quite a few carriers offer an advisory version of their MYGAs. Athene is usually competitve and offer about 25bps more on a 5 year to give you an idea. When it comes to indexed and RILAs - I’d lean towards the advisory annuities. The insurers get a few more cents on the dollar to purchase options and annual re-allocation advice on the indexes would certainly justify a fee in my eyes.

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Tracy Lownsberry

Founder of Annuity Giants Agents Academy Retirement Wealth Analyst Former Law Enforcement Army Veteran

1y

I have been waiting for others to comment over the last week so I could gather some thoughts on this. Let me first explain that I am ONLY insurance licensed. The topics around annuities and fees, commissions, Advisor Channel, Bank Channel, IMO Channel, Direct Channel, Captive Channel, etc is an important one but I don't agree with Stan. Stan is a smart guy and knows quite a bit about annuities, but I do think his skillset has holes. This specific post is obviously addressing the inaccuracies in his knowledge about RIAs and annuities. Nothing to argue here. I think the conversation could continue around that "Fiduciary Advisor vs Insurance Only Agent" and product offerings. Some RIAs limit what their advisors can offer. So are you really a fiduciary. I find myself going toe to toe with many Fiduciaries and knocking the socks off them just in product knowledge. Why is that? I think its a tricky balance being an annuity expert, financial planner, and manage portfolios. How do you do 3 full time jobs good, let alone great? It's hard, some may say impossible. So when you are stretched that thin, can you really be an expert in all? My answer is no. Does that Fiduciary standard cover ignorance? That's a question for the masses

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Borys Senyk, CRPC, RSSA

Financial Literacy Campaigner and Educator | Entrepreneur with World System Builder | Chartered Retirement Planning Counselor | Registered Social Security Analyst

1y

Absolutely! We need provide the client with the best solution for them and that has a lot of value.

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