Why Your Business Doesn't Need More Data

What we have here is the transcript from my podcast appearance with Konsyg you can listen to the full interview by clicking the link below:

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William Gilchrist: What does a data strategist at 173tech do? Like, how would you define that title? Break it down for me.

Oliver Gwynne: Originally, I'm a marketer. So I spent 10 years doing marketing, And then I was really interested in how do you grow companies, how do you do that in a sustainable and repeatable and scalable way, without cutting corners, without costing the business any reputation points. And so I became really interested in processes, and then data underpins most processes. And so, coming at it from the back and then working forward, I now understand the data that leads up to the decisions, which leads up to the processes, which leads up to the the people and the business side of things.

I often feel a little bit like a fraud on a day to day basis, calling myself a Data Strategist, but I'm somebody who looks at things very much from the business side of things, from the people side of things, from the the practical side of things, and then applies data knowledge.

It was really nice this year because I won that award, where three different businesses nominated me. Two were businesses that were not our clients.They just had a meeting with me. I tried to give them as useful advice as possible. They couldn't actually afford our services, but they were just so grateful for the advice they've given, they nominated me and I ended up winning.

William Gilchrist: That is an amazing honour. And, you know, it sounds like it's due to the fact that you're very genuine. I could already tell as soon as we were talking, before this podcast aired, you you have a very genuine approach to things. It seems like you're you're you're willing to tell it like it is, but also give kind of practical insights and things like that. So awesome.Now maybe you could just tell the world who hasn't really already figured it out. I'm sure they're googling you at this point. 173 tech. What is it? Explain it to my 90 year old grandma.

Oliver Gwynne: So 173 Tech is a data agency. We help companies of all shape, sizes, and sectors to, either get started or revamp their data. So we set up the infrastructure. We integrate different data sources like websites, tools, files etc. We model that data so that it can be overlapped and then analysed, and then we create dashboards from that. So we're all about, finding answers to business questions and doing it in an automated way so it saves time on manual reporting.

William Gilchrist: What type of businesses do you feel like benefit the most from 173tech?

Oliver Gwynne: Mostly, we work with B2C companies. Typically, the thing that all of our clients have in common is they're either about to grow or they've just gone for a really big period of growth, and they wanna do that in a sustainable way. They wanna make sure that their growth is as cost effective as possible, that they're not just spending money and growing unsustainably.

A lot of the times, they are second founders. So they've had one business. They've sold it. They've seen how much of an impact that data can have, and then when they're setting up a new business, they do it a lot earlier, which I find really, really interesting. I think that points to the fact that data really isn't just a buzzword or it's a a trend at the moment. It's really a good strategy, that can underpin a lot of different parts of your business.

So in terms of companies that we've worked with, everyone and anyone at the moment. We have, clients like TreatWell, MeUndies, Peppa Pig, some dating apps. And as long as I don't confuse Peppa Pig and the dating apps when I have those meetings, I'm alright normally.

William Gilchrist: Good good data is a very broad term. Right? Very broad term. How do you filter? How are you working with your clients to be able to, remove them from analysis paralysis? Right? Because that's the most common thing.

Oliver Gwynne: So a lot of the large enterprises that I've worked with, they very much have this problem, where they think that they want to know everything. They have this sort of Hegelian approach where to know if something is to know it completely. And I disagree with that approach completely. I think as you say, you get too much data that you can't see the wood from the trees. It becomes to be a case where you're thinking, oh, it'd be really nice to know this, so this might be interesting.But it's not really useful to your business.

And so the best data that you can get, it needs to be clean and accurate, and you need to have got rid of the outliers. But the main thing is think about the decisions that you're actually gonna make. So if, for example, your marketing team says, oh, I'd really like to know, what newspaper do our customers read. Well, are you gonna advertise in the newspaper? Do you have the budget for that? If not, then why do you need to know? Are you going to use that information to do a Google Ad target maybe? Everything that you want to know needs to be directed to a decision that you can actually make, and businesses very rarely need a wealth of information compared to the decisions that they can actually make. They collect so much information that they don't really need.

And so whenever I'm talking to companies, it's all about trying to figure out what are the core couple of questions that we can make sure are a 100% right, and start from there and then build out to a point where it's all of your decisions are sort of made for you or you've got a strong suggestion on what you should be doing on a day to day basis.

William Gilchrist: In your business, what are some of the main challenges that you're that you're facing in this market, whether it be dealing with clients in terms of, getting them to understand the product or implementation? And how do you overcome them?

Oliver Gwynne: So as a data agency, our probably biggest challenge is just known unknowns. We don't know necessarily if a client has a data team, what the maturity is of that team, what tools that they've got set up in the background, what their business priorities are, what are those burning questions that keep them awake at night.

And so we need to know a lot of information, in terms of us trying to help them as much as possible. And and that means that often we have to give people sort of homework, and nobody really likes homework. They don't wanna have to spend time thinking of these sometimes quite important and quite strategic answers, so that we can then figure out what data will support them. And so if you're not very aligned on what you want to do as a strategy or if you're hoping that data will inform that strategy, it can be sometimes difficult knowing where to start, and where we can help them.

William Gilchrist: How does innovation play into your business, let's say, in the future? Are you building AI? Are you worried about chat gpt?

Oliver Gwynne: We have, one banking client, and they were asking me about it. And I said, guys, maybe just hold off for a couple of weeks. Maybe just put a blanket ban on this. Let's just wait a couple of weeks and see what happens on it. And, of course, then I can't remember the company, I think it was Sony. All of their business plans were leaked because somebody had put them into Chat GPT to spell check them, and they realised they should be a little bit more careful with this AI thing.

AI has been sort of good and interesting for us in a weird way because, companies that can actually do what we think of when we think of AI, there's 4, maybe 5 in the world that can actually deliver that. Companies that say they're doing that are 100s, and we're working with, VC partners at the moment who often ask us to look at companies. Are they actually building, AI, or is it just something that they put on their presentation?

Probably 99% of companies today, that I'm speaking to today cannot deliver AI because they don't have the underlying data, they don't have the underlying structure, they don't have the underlying infrastructure. The data is not in a stage where it's modelled in a lot of cases. And if you're not even got model data and ML in place, then there's no way that you can really think about AI.

I would also say that, for a lot of companies, if you're thinking "Hey, AI is cool, and what can we do with it?" I think you've you've probably already gone wrong from a strategic point of view. First, ask yourself if you really have a strong use case. Don't just try and find a way of using AI because it's cool or sexy.

Make sure you've got a really good reason why AI is the right solution and why, and then when you've decided that, yes, we definitely need AI for this, do you have the infrastructure for that? Do you have the people for that? Do you have the data in place? Probably not for most people who are listening to this today. And that's okay. You can build towards that. And I think, certainly, in the future, that's where the companies need to do in the next couple of years. But as for today, no.

William Gilchrist: How how do you source talent, and how do you get people up to speed?

Oliver Gwynne: I think, as an agency, we look for slightly different skill sets and mentality than we would if we were hiring, an internal team.

So if you're an internal team and you're looking for data people, it's quite possible that you say, I'm gonna hire Oliver. He's a data engineer, and I just want him to work on marketing data or whatever it might be. For an agency, we are dealing with so many different kinds of customers and projects and technologies on a day to day basis. And so what are we looking for? We're looking for people who are adaptable.

We're looking for people who can learn really, really quickly, and we're learning every single day. We're looking for people who can take in new information and are passionate about doing so. In terms of where we find them, you know, we're still a small agency, so we we need people who are normally a couple of years experience, so they're growing into their career. We need to make sure that we provide good training, good experience for them, and we're not dropping people in the deep end.

Like a lot of consultants, it has to be a process of us nurturing those people and making sure that they grow with us as an agency.

William Gilchrist: Now like all things, ethics always comes into play with all businesses. I mean, if you're a construction worker, ethics comes into play to make sure that you're not shortcutting the materials so that the building doesn't fall down. Or, you know, if you're a chef, ethics comes into play to make sure that, you know, you're not putting, you know, those substances in people's foods. How does ethics and ethical practices play in your business, and how do you evolve it?

Oliver Gwynne: I guess there's 2 sides to ethics for us. There's one is sort of legal considerations, which can be very important depending on clients and where they are in the world. We deal with clients all across the world sometimes who have very strict, restrictions on what data they can share and what data they can process. We work with people who are HIPAA or we work with banking clients, and so we have to be very careful just on a a practical sense and making sure that we're installing the best practices on that side of things.

Ethical considerations, I think, it's it's easy if you think about what's good for you and what's good for the client. I think that where people go wrong with ethical considerations is they try and get ahead too quickly. They try and take shortcuts. They do things that they know they wouldn't like if it was done to them.

For example, you guys are in sales. If you are bombarding hundreds of people with sales messages all the time and they say "hey. I'm not really interested." It's not ethical to say, well, you've got legitimate interest. Let me add you on to our marketing database. It just burns that relationship, and it has a long term cost. And so from an ethics point of view, you should always make sure that you've got permission to talk to people, make sure that you have, opted in everybody who you want to, and that you think about things from a long-term perspective because business is is a a long game.

I know I always remember there was somebody who I worked with. He was a really young man. I did some work for him, and I I squeezed it in because he was doing something for his investor. He decided after the fact that he was gonna make loads of changes. He wasn't quite happy with it, and I said, well, this is what you asked for.He didn't pay me in the end.

Then years passed by, 5, 6 years, that same guy, suddenly, I was in a different business. He was in a different business, and he was selling to me. And I had not forgotten the fact that he had sort of burnt me without a really strong reason. And suddenly, the couple of £100, I think it was, that he didn't give me suddenly cost him literally £1000s of pounds because I was the decision maker on that.

And so I always think with ethics, it's easy to take a a quick shortcut. It's easy to do, the wrong thing thinking of today. But if you think about tomorrow and you think about how would I like it if somebody treat me that way, it's very easy to do the right thing.

William Gilchrist: So in terms of success, what is a successful project? What is a successful client? How would you guys define it? Because, you know, those those goalposts always change per project. Right? But you gotta have a baseline. What is that criteria that you base it on?

Oliver Gwynne: So this is basically my job. This is what I do every day. My job is to be sort of the voice of the customer, of the client. And, you know, no offense to data people, but sometimes they get a little bit lost in the data. They get stuck with day to day tasks.

They stop seeing that bigger picture. And so my job is really to oversee those projects and making sure that we create value from data, which is our tagline, but we take it very, very seriously. It's something that I'm really passionate about. Ultimately, it always comes back to how are you gonna impact the business. It's it's no good just saying "okay, we're gonna set up your infrastructure, and then we're gonna leave." That saves you some time. That saves you some cost. It's less painful. That's that's a little win. But where's the big win?

Is it, finding the people who are gonna churn and stopping them churning? How much is that worth to your business? Is it finding more high LTV customers, and how can you attract those people? And how can you use that data to optimise your ads? That's gonna create value for your business.

So it's always about figuring out, what is the monetary impact of what we're doing and how can we feed that back to that business.

William Gilchrist: Very cool. Well, let's inspire the world, Oliver. What do you have to say about emerging leaders, people getting into the world in your industry or in any kind of industry and probably related to tech? What advice would you give them? If somebody says, look, in about 5 years, I wanna be Oliver. What advice would you give them? What are some things that you feel like you spent too much time on that you shouldn't have or, you know, you spend less time on that you should have? What would be those things, and how would you inspire somebody just getting into the game?

Oliver Gwynne: I think the the most important thing and some people don't like this terminology, but I think it's really important to fail fast. It's okay to make mistakes. It's okay to, be unsuccessful at something as long as you learn quickly and you learn the the right lessons, and then you adapt quickly. I think that's the most important thing. Don't be afraid to fail.

Don't be afraid to take a risk and it not work out as long as that risk is a calculated risk and not just sort of putting your life savings into your jam business or something like that. So the first thing would be to not be afraid of failure, to be prepared that that's part of the process, and iterate as you go along. So fail in a really small way. Send an email that doesn't work to 5 people. Send a new email to 10 people and so on and so forth. And, eventually, you'll come up with that sort of perfect messaging to people.

The second thing is, I think, you are a reflection of how you want people to work. That's really important that you are setting the example to people. If you're a boss that comes in a little bit late, you're a little bit lax on things, you're not giving an explanation of why you want things, you are, I don't know, slagging off customers or you're, you know, you're not treating them with the respect, your team will start to do that. So you have to be the best possible example to the rest of your organisation in terms of the behaviours that you wanna set, in terms of understanding what's important to you.

And then in terms of managing other people, just understand that everybody has a weird thing. Everybody has their own peculiarities, and try and figure out what yours are. Mine is like, I really hate it when somebody tells me it's gonna be done on Tuesday. I expect it to be done on Tuesday. If you're not sure it's gonna be done on Tuesday, just tell me Thursday and then, you know, deliver on Thursday. That's great. That's fine with me. I hate it when people promise me something and then they don't deliver. So if you can understand what are your peculiarities and you can communicate those to other people, then they don't have to figure that out.

And it it just shortens that gap where you're setting realistic expectations to them, and they can deliver on it.