I made a simple fact based comment to this post and got removed/blocked by the Archer CEO 😂 . So I am re-posting a simple truth, it is a personal opinion and not speaking on behalf of my employer (we do real stuff). eVtol companies advertise of ground vs airtime are misleading at best. Google maps shows 49 min driving between Oakland and Napa Co airports. An if I catch an Uber at Oakland I will get directly to my destination. While flying to Napa Co airport will still require me to Uber to my final point. Also the 12 minutes airtime is unrealistic. Foreflight app shows me 16 minutes with a Piper Pa-28 on the same route and we all know that between t/o and landing time will be closer to 30 min. Of course, without accounting for the commuting to a vertiport, boarding times and a/c availability. In summary, you could optimistically save 15 minutes on the trip and NOT 12 min vs 1h:20min+ as falsely advertised. Of course Uber will be at a fraction of the cost, will carry all your luggage and will get you there even if the weather is bad. Good luck with clear and calm wind days in SF bay!. Even assuming that there will be a certified eVtol sometimes in 2025 (another fantasy) this business model is flawed and unrealistic. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid and stop deceive the public. I cannot believe investors are so gullible. Moshe Baum, David Smith, Fabio Russo.
🌁 SF BAY AREA NETWORK UNVEIL | We’re excited to announce Archer’s planned air taxi network in the San Francisco Bay Area. The goal is to connect 5 key locations across the region: South San Francisco, Napa, San Jose, Oakland, and Livermore, replacing long drives with quick flights. Key highlights include: ✈️ Archer’s San Francisco Bay Area network is anticipated to provide unprecedented connectivity across the region, allowing people to replace 1-2 hour drives with flights that take ~10-20 minutes 📍 Archer and Kilroy Realty Corporation have identified Kilroy’s Oyster Point South San Francisco development as a critical hub in Archer’s planned Bay Area network ♻️ Kilroy and Archer are studying the development of a proposed Sea Portal, which is intended to serve as a waterfront mobility hub for eVTOL aircraft and electric ferry operations using renewable energy https://lnkd.in/gK2S2-vB Here’s a first look at the planned Archer mobile app showing a San Francisco to Napa route. We're excited to offer a glimpse at the Archer mobile app we're developing to provide a world-class passenger experience that inspires through frictionless, efficient and intuitive technology along every step of your journey. Key features will include: 🎫 Effortless flight booking 🛫 Real-time flight tracking 🧳 Convenient access to traveler details
Fabio Russo
5mo
Filippo Ventura I wrote so many about this (that I defined as “2024 bubble” back into 2021 as at that time all were struggling to convince that today we should have seen already thousands of in-service eVTOLS). And I wrote so many that I can only wait the moment when the reality will break the door announcing what an aerospace product is, and what it requires to fly for commercial ops… For this reason there is only one company that I support, and it has the only valuable product because they hit the only available market niche for the faster time to market… they are Jetson . Probably because of the similarities with another italian succes story that first hit a low regulation market (ultralight) to explore and expand then, but most importantly with own finances! We’ll see, we’ll see a lot of things happening!!
Thomas Pellino
5mo
It's clear that these companies are running out of announcements that sound like they are complete but aren't. As long as the public doesn't know the difference between part 135 and part 25 or 23, they will still attract dumb money. Announcing partnerships that are ephemeral such as the intent to build a helipad or the intent to partner with an airline (who is also just milking PR) is not illegal but misleading. This app is trivially complex compared to the actual type certification, but it makes it seem like they are close.
Nate Fisher
3mo
If you believe it, short ACHR, LILM, EH, JOBY.
David Smith
3mo
As I have advocated in other posts, any high utilization operation of DEP EVTOL’s will be crushed by the high hull insurance costs, the low dispatch reliability (due to extremely high quantity of dispatch critical parts in the propulsion systems), and the extremely high operational cost vs ground transport. This technology will never reach a scale that justifies $1Bn much less the multiple billions of $USD spent each year on this. It’s a tragedy of talent and value destruction.
Mike DiCosola
3mo
What is really interesting about all this, is I have the uncrewed/manned autonomous port IP filed in 15 countries (and growing) and it has been pending since 2019. We have already beat arguments at the USPTO related to Amazon, Walmart, IBM, Airbus Defense and many more. We are almost through the entire process and Archer knows who I am and I have attempted to reach out to him multiple times about it. He is required by law to inform his investors about us, However, as many times in good faith that I try and attempt to tell him I want to work with them on my pending IPs, he ignored every outreach and attempts to make a workaround of my own concepts that relate to ground, sea, air, and space. I patiently wait…
Mauro Mori
5mo
I agree Filippo. If they want to achieve what they are expecting, a whole new infrastructure dedicated to this type of commute must be implemented, and I think, I will not say is falsely advertise, but it is, at least, utterly too optimistic. Think about that. Helicopters could do that too with a expanded heliport infrastructure and such and it never happened.
Jeffrey Spitzer
3mo
If they can get to high frequency scheduled operations between somewhere like downtown Chicago and O'Hare that really is a nightmare trip, then the operators might be able to justify the vehicle cost. But the vehicle sales volume will likely not justify the development cost.
David Smith
5mo
Very insightful comment.
Justin Lanier
3mo
😪💦 The future Vs. The present, so unfair.
Director at Gulfstream
5mo