3 Questions: DGPS Independence, DP Capability, Droop/Isoch

3 Questions: DGPS Independence, DP Capability, Droop/Isoch

Introduction:  This article was going to concentrate on the question answered in the main picture, but I decided to include a couple other recent questions.  Of course, it went long, so pick the subjects that interest you, and consider the request at the end. Each question begins with a picture.

 


Question 1:  You say that DGPSs aren’t independent, and I agree, but one of the guidelines says they are.

 

Answer 1

Guidelines say a lot of things, especially expansive guidelines accumulated over a long period of time.  It becomes increasingly difficult for the owners to keep track of them as they expand and interpretations change.  For example, my last article had a FWC picture showing a common design that was completely wrong, but one that the DP industry accepted at the time.  That was only 20 years ago, but we were wrong.  Organizations that provide guidelines can be similarly caught out by time, and can fail to catch the faults when doing rushed reviews of a vast body of writing.  Limited time means that only the worst things can be caught and dealt with.

Vestiges:  For example, there used to be a whole guideline dedicated to proving that dual DGPS was acceptable on its own.  This was wrong, and eventually withdrawn, but it’s understandable that its echoes can be heard in other documents.  Once a declaration is made, it takes a while for it to completely die off.  Often, more modern guidelines contradict the older guidelines with the old mistake.  We could tell people to follow the newer stuff, but people like to pick and choose the guidelines that give the desired answer.  A legalistic, compliance-based use of particular passages can form a defense of bad practice, but it never becomes good practice.

Interpretation:  This is why scientists and engineers prefer basic principles, and why I think testing to the guidelines is good advertising, but not particularly useful.  Basic principles provide solid lines that cannot be crossed and can be universally applied with careful thought, but that puts a burden on the users and limits users to those who understand the application.  Expansive guidelines are informative to more people than basic principles and their examples educational, but eventually require so much maintenance that they need looked at skeptically.  Either way, the reader needs to think.  Let the reader beware - it doesn’t matter what a guideline says, if it is wrong by basic principles.  I’m a big fan of people using basic principles, understanding the systems they apply to, and gaining the experience to develop a feel for correct application.  Independent DGPS isn’t one of them.

DGPS Independence:  Two DGPSs aren’t independent.  Three DGPSs aren’t independent.  Ten DGPSs, each from a different manufacturer, using different corrections, with independent power & interfaces, and using all satellites and frequencies, still aren’t redundant.  Those 10 DGPSs are the same sensor with hardware and software duplication and diversity to improve the odds.  An INS only gives jump, fast drift, and very short term loss protection, and sensor fusion has its own problems.  Radio interference, atmospheric faults, or spoofing can take them all out or make them lie, so they aren’t independent, despite what some forgotten passage might say in a guideline that hasn’t been corrected yet.  In all things, educate yourself (manuals, guidelines, articles, books, videos, questions, discussion, experience, and thought), look for counter examples (incidents), and use common sense.  Two DGPSs and a Fanbeam that is never used isn’t redundant.  Improve the odds with vendor and signal diversity and use of INS, but understand that it isn’t redundant, and that you need to manage that risk until better independent sensors become available.  Hurry up, SPRINT-Nav.

 

DGPS/Guidance Summary:  Don’t believe everything you read, and don’t follow something in a guideline if it is wrong.  DGPSs aren’t independent of each other.  It is possible to operate safely without redundant sensors and sometimes inescapable, but you need to admit that you are doing it, so you can prepare for failures, reduce the chance, and limit their effect, or recognize when it is inappropriate high risk.

 

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Question 2:  Have you done any articles on thruster power and capability plots?  The updated M190 testing requirements require checking actual power from the thrusters.  This has shown torque/current limitation protecting the motors and preventing the power expected by the capability plots.  People are unhappy.

 

Answer 2:

Advertising:  Most capability plots are sales documents that don't reflect the vessel's real capability.  Standard static capability plots don't reflect real dynamic vessel capability, which is always less.  I've done a lot of testing over the years and noticed the thruster rotation and ramp speed, layout, and forbidden zones makes a huge difference that can be ignored during static analysis.  Some plots ignore power limits, thrust loss from hull and thruster to thruster interaction, and give the thrusters extra effectiveness just to meet the capability criteria and get the project.  When I was younger and less experienced, I challenged a set where the bigger ship with the smaller thrusters somehow had more capability than a smaller ship with more power and thrust.  The guy apologized to me and said that they needed to do it to get the project.  Keep that in mind whenever you look at DP plots.  Similarly, a recent project reduced the standard 20% dynamic margin, reduced the wave height, reduced the wave frequency, and ignored hull losses and power limits to meet the required newbuild capability.

It certainly is a Plot:  Most DP plots are sales literature and I used to do a lot of dynamic testing to verify the real capability.  IMCA recommends using footprint plots instead but they are only somewhat related.  Dynamic capability plots will do the job of defining real vessel capability, but they are expensive, rare, and reveal less capability than people want to claim, so they are unpopular.  I've recommended rules of thumb in my 25 series to help DPOs recognize when their vessel might have lost redundancy.  IMCA is working on a new M140, which I've commented on, and now says they are not to be used to establish safe working capability, but only for vessel comparison (I can’t see how that would work).  DP plots were meant to be a useful tool and became a game.  Some people are putting together a joint industry project to put real capability in an improved consequence analysis function.

Limits:  The drive limits set the real redundant capability of the vessel.  It doesn't matter what the capability plots say, the real capability is set by the real equipment.  If you take a look at the DP plots, you will probably see that power limits have been ignored or assumed higher.  Always value the real over the paper.  I think that if you look closely at the DP plot assumptions, you will find major problems.  DP plots don't set redundant limits, real vessel response does.  At a minimum, the DP plots need to reflect the real thruster and power limits, but there is so much more that is likely to be wrong.  Drive and DG load acceptance limits are real concerns, but most vessels are limited by other factors.  Remember, when you have hit the limits, there is no dynamic margin left to correct and recover from a fault or deal with natural variation, and based on my test experience, most vessels need a dynamic thrust margin of 20-40%. 

Adaption:  Static capability plots are imperfect tools, but they should be updated to reflect actual equipment capability.  If a thruster can only use half the power that the capability plot uses, then the capability plot is wrong and needs redone.  The plots should be compared with actual test results (partial joystick speed limit tests).  IMCA now recommends footprint plots as a fallback, because footprint typically expands as redundant limits are approached, but that doesn’t really cover the dynamic adaption needed after a fault, thus my “<25” rules of thumb.  Thruster failure response tests should be performed in the worst case environment, but people are usually too busy trying to rush through a trials check list, rather than carefully performing experiments that validate safe operation.

Beware:  Operator and surveyor beware.  Standard DP plots don’t show real redundant capability and neither do footprint plots.  They are a start to understanding the vessel, but we aren’t performing static positioning, but dynamic positioning.  Redundant capability includes dynamic environment and dynamic fault recovery margin.  DPOs need to know the real limits (most vessels don’t) to stay within them, and they need to understand and avoid the standard design weaknesses of DP systems.  DP plots need to reflect the actual thruster power limits available in operation.  DP plots should be tested during DP trials and with appropriate power limits, as that is sometimes higher during trials when the industrial mission is shutdown.

 

DP Plot Summary:  Trust not the DP plot.  Look at the sales literature with skepticism.  On the ship, compare it against real vessel ratings and test it.  Mistakes are important and need fixed, even though DP plots are now known to not show real redundant capability.  They show the maximum possible, but not the real dynamic limits.  Either get dynamic capability testing, or use a mixture of footprint plots and rules of thumb to keep within limits.

 

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I have a few other articles on dynamic concerns and the recent MTS DP Conference had 3-4 papers showing that thrusters need to ramp faster and azimuth quicker to hold position based on dynamic capability analysis.  Now that we are using the right tools, the engineers are finding what we found in the field and during testing - dynamic environments require dynamic thruster response rather than the slow traditional response.  Marine Cybernetics showed this in their papers years ago and the industry is waking up.  DNV seems to be the class society that takes this most seriously.

 

P.S.  Everyone should be checking thruster power feedbacks all the time, as it is an independent feedback strongly related to thrust at low currents.

P.P.S.  We need to look at the unpopular reality, so the people on the vessel know how to operate safely.  We are responsible to ensure that no one dies from us not doing our work.

 


Question 3:  Most PMS use Droop, can you throw light on advantages / disadvantages of droop against Isoch.  Some vessels have an option to change to Isoch mode.  In context of DP vessels, can you highlight the modes.

 

Answer 3

History:  We started with droop, electronics got better and we used isochronous (isoch), everything else got better and we started noticing isoch faults, realized we needed droop, and noted that further improvements in electronics made it better than isoch.  This is why many people in management still specify isoch, as they remember it being better, and don't know that isn't the case.  DP guidelines recommend droop.  Many PMS vendors supply pseudo-isoch as a compromise, but endanger everything with mission creep.

From a DP redundancy view point:

  • Isoch has common failure modes and is a non-starter.  Running at constant speed sounds good, but with few DGs and a lack of a rigid grid to force bad DGs off, it is a recipe for blackouts on ships.  We used to put up with that, because we had bigger problems, but as they got managed, isoch blackouts became significant.  Blackouts vs. an insignificant reduction in efficiency was an easy choice, but many people didn't get the message, despite it being in the DP guidelines.  DP2 or 3 generally means no isoch, especially for closed bus.  Independent isoch is fine for DP2 or 3 split bus.

  • Droop is more forgiving of failures, and each DG can be operated independently.  The improvement in electronics allows tighter droop and means that isoch doesn't have much of an edge in efficiency.  Some people think otherwise, because they remember older electronics.  The gold standard for closed bus operation.
  • Compensated droop (comp droop) is what the PMSs like to use.  It isn't droop, its pseudo-isoch, where the independent droop curves are actively adjusted by the central PMS to maximize efficiency and other nefarious reasons.  This is a middle position that customers tend to like, because it is slightly more efficient and appears less dangerous than isoch.  The major problems with this are hiding faults and the chance of the common PMS causing faults.  This is more common than you think, not just from the additional hardware and control risk (vs. keeping it simple), but from misunderstanding the goals.  The PMS often prioritizes theoretical efficiency over robust fault response.  They understand running at constant speed is efficient, but don't understand why variation from constant frequency is important to stable speed control and to clearing and surviving faults, so PMS interferes with the governor or AVR fault response and causes instability and blackouts.  New voltage and frequency smoothing functions that constantly and actively adjust the DGs are the worst offenders, and should be considered guilty until proven innocent.  A possible risk to open and closed bus.

  • Multiple Modes:  The ability to operate in multiple modes comes with a corresponding problem - the ability to fail out of the mode that all the DGs should be operating in.  Some PMSs can’t recognize or handle this fault.  A DG that runs differently from the others doesn’t load share properly, and even if it appears to load share in a given condition (hidden fault), it will not respond to load steps or faults the same.  Either way, it endangers redundancy.  A few PMSs handle this properly by defaulting to droop on loss of control of one DG’s mode.  The mode control interface needs to be setup so loss of mode control defaults to independent standalone droop (independent of previous adjustments).  Loss of mode control of one DG, or of its comp droop adjustment, needs to be detected and PMS notified, so all online DGs can rapidly default to independent standalone droop.  I recommend keeping it simple and starting there.  Some existing designs don’t meet these criteria.  It’s still possible for some designs to fail to isoch or adjusted droop (last setting, which could be the result of a control fault) and that DG needs tripped (assuming an individual rather than group failure).  Mostly a closed bus risk.

Complication:  Some advanced generator protection/monitoring/supervision systems are based on the assumption of droop control, but those assumptions are invalidated by comp droop operation.

 

Droop/Isoch Summary:  So, PMS droop is usually comp droop, slightly more efficient, and possibly much more dangerous than even isoch, depending on what the vendor is trying to do.  A less aggressive PMS is usually a compromise between efficiency and risk.  Independent standalone droop is still the gold standard recommended in the guidelines and should be the system design goal.  Isoch is slightly more efficient than droop, but causes blackouts.  Everything causes blackouts, if it isn't properly maintained and tuned.

 

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Request:

This is the last DP article of the month, so next week will be the Nov/24 DP Incidents article.  Please message me with recent lessons that you think are worth sharing, or incidents that you would like looked at.  Don’t use the article comments, as they aren’t private.  I’m looking for general lessons based on real life incidents or observations, not company secrets.

Don Black

Commisioning Specialist at Self-employed

1w

Paul, can you give me an example of a vessel or two that allow the cross-current comp. To be controlled by the PMS. I personally have never seen it used that way.

Lisa Oliver

Curriculum Manager at South Shields Marine School

1w

Thanks again Paul Kerr, I'll be sharing your knowledge to my ETO and engine cadets. They should read more like this!

Michael Ford

Software Integration Development Manager, SERCO North America Inc.

2w

As always good stuff Paul. For years I argued that plots were as you said, sales material and a bit like statistics. You can make them show what you want. I was once asked if I could produce plots for a DG vessel with twin cpp and single bow thruster “proving” it could meet DP2. For obvious reasons I declined, but I saw marketing materials months later showing exactly that.

Per Stensønes Kjelby

Sr. Marine Advisor | IMCA DP Trials & Assurance Practioner

4w

The cat is definitively out of the bag in regards capability plots, the focus on thrusters has also shown us vessels that doesn’t have the contracted power from system integrator even in manual levers.

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