From academia to content design: A conversation with Emily Cheng

Queenie: Emily, you pivoted to content design from academia. You used to be an Associate Professor of English, right? What prompted this transition? How did you decide that content design was the field you wanted to work in? 

Emily: It’s interesting—it felt like it was a big change, but also not. I really wanted to do something different and that’s why I made the shift. 

After I got tenure, I was able to think more long term, and when I did that, I realized that this career—honestly academia felt like a whole lifestyle— wasn't the only way I wanted to do things professionally and personally. So, I started thinking about other careers I could pivot to and I got interested in tech.

To be honest, I didn't know about content design at first. I knew more about engineering at that point, and I thought it was really interesting how people were solving problems through a different kind of language. And so, I actually started by studying coding. Nothing advanced, of course. I just did basic courses in JavaScript, CSS, and HTML. Just to see if I liked it. And I did, but I also realized that it's going to take a long time to get really proficient at coding.

Around that time, I found out about UX writing or content design as a career path. And I realized that I'd already been doing that work, just in different contexts.

I also had the skills needed—the expertise in language and storytelling, for starters. I was already taking complex ideas and developing experiences that met the needs of and was useful for different kinds of audiences—students, the general public—by developing courses. That work—of developing courses— is informed by expertise in the subject area and what students should learn about an area of study, but you're also meeting the business needs of the university. When we created new courses, we had to do competitor analysis. We had to show how the investment in developing something new would generate revenue. We had to come up with ways to measure the outcomes for students and for the university. I quickly realized that all of these things were relevant to content design!

So really, my career change came out of realizing that there's something in content design that built on skills I already had and things I already enjoyed doing.

Queenie: I love the way you articulated that! I’m really curious about something you said. You talked about academia as a way of being—a lifestyle—and you said you wanted to cultivate a different mode of being. I want to dive deeper into that. As you made this career transition to content design, what parts of yourself do you feel like you were able to keep—from that older lifestyle of academia? And which ones did you feel like you had to jettison? 

A kind of corollary question to that is: do you continue to do any work that you did as a professor? Research? Publication? Or have you fully made the switch over to content design?

Emily: I've fully made the switch. I had one last publication that came out after I started my new content design job and there was a book launch event. And that felt like the end point of my work as an academic and researcher. Beyond that, I just made a clean break. 

I love that I made this shift. It’s not just a career shift, but a mindset shift too. Moving from job-as-lifestyle—which academia is—to job as a job. I work hard at my job but I have a clear sense of non-work time. I can focus on my other interests! It’s so wonderful. I'm able to do more volunteering, for example. 

Queenie: I hear you. Treating a job as a job allows you to cultivate time for yourself as a whole person, whereas academia has a tendency to cannibalize your entire life if you let it. 

Emily: Totally. And it's so normalized! 

This is also so important with remote work! I’ve been seeing that people can be happier and more productive with remote work but we also have to mindful about not burning out when working remotely. It’s important to not lean into the lack of a physical structure. That’s really the danger of it for me. I’m very careful about not letting notifications just get me anytime. Even if I find out about something, I always make sure to check: is it after hours? Is it urgent? If not, I don’t need to solve this problem now. I’ll just take note of it for tomorrow. 

Queenie: Yes, maintaining that work-life balance by having boundaries in place is so important!

Emily: Yes, and it’s not just fully selfish, you know? If you take care of yourself, you can have more energy for the things that matter at work! I think no one wants other people to burn out these days because they realize that it'll affect not just that person, but the entire team. 

Queenie: Very true! I want to talk to you a little bit about how you prepared for the transition to content design. What did you do to get ready for your first job as a content designer? Did you undertake any content design projects that acquainted you with the work or did you dive right in at Autodesk?

Emily: Yes, I did some preparatory work, so to speak. There were two phases to it. 

I had done a lot of volunteering work in the past—not even with an idea to turn this into a profession, but just to support organizations I cared about. I did hands-on work with their missions, helping with the websites, that kind of thing. People knew I could write and I could organize things. And so I would help write everything from what we could call ‘product descriptions’ to marketing emails, digital training materials, and so on. But at that point, I didn’t realize this could be a job, you know?

The next phase of this work was when I learned more about content design and UX writing as a job. At that point, I had more intention around the work I was doing. Then again, I did some volunteer projects where I worked with people in cross-functional roles—with UX design, research, someone serving as a PM, and so on. All of these people were volunteers. They were people who either were like me, transitioning into a new career and who had these skills, or then they were studying their discipline more formally. Sometimes, there would be people who had jobs in that area, but were doing volunteer work. Again, all of this work was with nonprofit organizations. 

Queenie: I see. Can you share a little bit about how you found these opportunities?

Emily: People told me about them. When I started networking, people would tell me about how they did this kind of work as part of their career transition. 

There are also groups you can join to find these kinds of opportunities, such as: 

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Queenie: Thanks for sharing these websites! Moving on from these preparatory phases then, how did you land your current job at Autodesk? Did you cold apply to it?

Emily: Yes, I just applied for the job! It sounds basic, but it wasn’t really that basic. I did talk to a lot of people. I got a lot of help from a lot of people. I had to learn about how people find jobs, because it’s so different from academia. 

Networking is very important. At first, I had one friend who worked in this field and I learned a lot from them. They also introduced me to other people. From there, I started meeting more people by finding others who had similar experiences transitioning from a different field into content design and reaching out to them. 

People sometimes talked about how one might need to get referrals from other people. And it makes sense, but this was all very intimidating for someone like me who was just starting out. I was very intimidated by this idea that ‘oh, first I have to build a network before I can even think about applying to jobs.' 

And then I realized, well, there’s nothing stopping me from just applying to jobs. I decided that I’d try every angle that I could. And I did just that: I cold applied—I didn’t know anyone at Autodesk—and I got an interview! I got really lucky with a hiring manager who understood my background in academia and saw my volunteer work as relevant. They didn’t think I needed to know everything. I just needed to have certain skills and the ability to learn. 

I think times are tougher now in the industry. I'm hearing it's not as effective to just apply. But, you know, I would say you should just try everything. If you’re someone who has a great network—then of course, lean on that, because that's so valuable. But sometimes, you just have to throw everything at the wall and see what sticks, you know?

Another intimidating thing for me was the content design portfolio. I heard, early on into the job search, that you need a portfolio before you can apply to jobs. That’s so different from how I’d make my work public in academia. Academic work goes through many rounds of peer review by authorities in the field before it’s ready to be visible to the public. The portfolio was a huge shift in my mindset. 

Here again, I learned so much from talking to other people. People—especially those coming from academia—told me: "Take something you've done and put it on some platform where people can see it. That’s it. Don't worry too much about finding the perfect place to host the portfolio. Just choose something and you can always iterate on it." That was such valuable advice, because that’s really what I needed to hear. It felt so good just to take that first stab at the portfolio. It helped me realize that I do have some good work that I’ve done and I can put it up for people to see. If there are gaps in my portfolio, I could also do a speculative project and put it on there. And then, as I do more work, I can take some things down or improve on existing work. It really was fun to work on that!

Queenie: Do you still update your portfolio regularly? Or is it something you think you’d take back up if you choose to find a different job?

Emily: I wish I could say ‘yes, I continue to work on it.’ But it's so hard to make time for it. I haven't been very good about updating it, but I would like to do that. 

Queenie: Love the honesty. Pivoting to the work you do now, as a content designer at Autodesk—can you tell me a little bit about what your day-to-day looks like? 

Emily: It really depends. We're a small team working with a lot of different partners on a lot of pretty different projects, so it really depends on what I'm working on. 

I was looking at this survey that the UX Content Collective did, and one of the questions on it was: who do you work with most closely? Who's on your team? Most content designers, I believe, listed PMs, product designers, and UX researchers as top collaborators. I work with all those roles as well, but I also closely with backend engineers, which turns out to be less common. 

All this to say that I work with a lot of different roles and it all shifts based on the projects - whether it’s developing a platform service, or knowledge strategy, or content design for mobile apps. So, there isn't really a typical day. It all depends on what project I'm working on. 

Queenie: That’s fair. I’m also curious about your process. When you’re working with design or product partners, do you prefer collaborating in real time? In meetings? Working together in a Figma? Or do you like doing your content design work heads-down, asynchronously, without the clamor of other voices, so to speak?

Emily: It’s a balance, depending on the stage of the project. I love to collaborate with my partners in real time, especially with targeted meetings to solve a messy problem. But I do appreciate that separate, quiet thinking time. 

Queenie: Do you create space in your calendar regularly for that quiet thinking time? 

Emily: Yes, I do! I definitely have focus time that I schedule into my calendar, but I do like keeping things flexible so that I can adapt to what’s happening, especially with distributed teams and people in different time zones. 

If someone wants to meet during my perfect heads-down working time, then yes, I can be flexible! Having said that, I do think it's important to have that time penciled in. Sometimes, it’s just a reminder to myself, almost like making an appointment with myself to prioritize and focus. 

Queenie: You mentioned you work with distributed teams. How do you think that influences how you collaborate with your design or cross-functional partners?

Emily: I’m fully remote, and the people I work with are remote. There are some teams that meet in an office more than others, but for the most part we’re remote. 

Honestly, I've only ever worked remotely in the tech industry. So I can't speak to how remote work is different from working face-to-face in an office. I will say, though, that over time, I'm definitely understanding more about how to work effectively while being remote. 

One thing I’ve realized is that it’s important to have meetings intentionally because otherwise you’re out of sight and out of mind or you can also have more meetings than are needed. It’s also important to figure out what other people's working styles are and what's effective for them, especially for smaller-scale things. I imagine that if one was sitting next to someone in the office and they have a small idea, they can just talk to them about it directly. You could just walk over and say something to them. However, with remote work, it does cause you to think: is this a big enough issue to schedule a meeting for? Is it disruptive to just ping someone about this? Should I collect all these small things and then schedule a meeting? There's definitely more intentionality around what the best time and way is to discuss a smaller topic.

Queenie: Absolutely. I understand that you don't have a counterpoint to compare your current experience with, but even so, I’m curious: do you feel like you're able to build good work relationships with your colleagues while working remotely? Or is the relationship more functional and transactional? Do you actually feel like you’re able to get to know the people you're working with? 

Emily: That’s definitely something we’re all trying to figure out, especially when new people join who are remote. At first, of course, there were people who had worked together on the team in person and they had a different kind of relationship, but over time, as more and more people join, who’ve only ever been remote, the question inevitably arises about how we can foster stronger team relationships. How do we find time for human connection? We’re not meeting over lunch any more—I mean we could, but that would now just involve us sitting at our screens, and not really taking a break from screen time. So we’re definitely all thinking about how we can create richer relationships despite being distributed. 

We’ve started intentionally scheduling in social time to foster those relationships. We have regular team meetings just for social conversations and the rule is that we absolutely can’t talk about work.

I’ve also met with teammates when they’re in town, and it’s really nice to have that time together. 

I think we all just have to be more intentional about cultivating time to make connections now. 

Queenie: So very true. 

The next thing I want to ask you about is a very specific aspect of your job. You do some amount of conversation design at Autodesk, yes? How did you learn about conversation design?

And relatedly: the “menu” of content design tasks are ever shifting these days. How do you upskill, to make sure you have the chops to do any kind of content design work that comes your way?

Emily: When it comes to conversation design—I learned about it through multiple channels. From other people, by reading books, reading materials online, and looking at other companies that have their conversation design principles posted publicly on their websites. I also learned on the job, just by doing the work. 

One thing that's very exciting for me is that there are so many ways to learn in this field.

In academia, for example, there’s a more narrow set of ways that are seen as legitimate sources and ways to learn. So honestly, I just try to learn every way there is. I've been going to conferences, I continue to take classes—for example, through the UX Content Collective, I've done workshops through the Button Conference, I read books, I also just talk to people about how they’re doing things, what they’re learning, and what are things that they think I should be learning. 

Also, I want to point out that when it comes to courses, it doesn’t have to be a huge course that one pays for. There are free online courses available! People are so generous in sharing what they know. 

Queenie: Are there any specific resources you would like to point people to? Where might one find these free online courses?

Emily:

I use YouTube a lot. Coursera has some. LinkedIn Learning is great—we have a bunch of learning pathways on there at work. Many companies have these kinds of resources. Ask around! See if your company has any platforms like LinkedIn Learning, where they put learning sequences together for people. 

Learning can become such a financial drain if you’re constantly paying for courses and books out of pocket. Find as many free resources as you can!

Queenie: Absolutely. Thanks for sharing that. 

Content designers often talk about how they feel like they have to justify the value of what they do. People sometimes see us as wordsmiths who just come in and fix the words, and sometimes don’t really appreciate how deeply we can contribute to creating a better user experience. Do you feel like you’ve struggled with this at all? If yes, how did you navigate this challenge?

Emily: I do get the sense that this is the experience across the board, because the field is still maturing.

It’s important for me to not approach every project with the lens of ‘you have to understand the value that content will have’, and instead be more action-oriented. I try to talk to stakeholders early on about what they really need, what people’s pain points are, and then really try to zoom in on where I can help as a content designer. 

Queenie: I really value that perspective. It sounds trite, but it does kind of ring true here: Show, don’t tell! Emily, you’re in the early stages of your content design career and have arrived here from a whole different field. Have you ever experienced impostor syndrome so far with all these changes? If yes, how do you cope with it?

Emily: Such a great question, because honestly my answer is yes and no. Early on, I believed that all these other people who had been working in the field longer were experts at this, far beyond where I could ever reasonably reach. Especially with Figma. I thought they were all power users of Figma, and I was in elementary. How would I ever catch up? 

But now that I’ve been in the field for a bit, I realize that the tools and skills keep changing. Everyone has to keep learning. Especially with the transformation that generative AI brought to the industry. It’s not really possible to attain “expert” status and not have to continue to learn and uplevel your skills. It's not like other people just have this knowledge and I am lagging behind and have to catch up. We’re all learning and trying to learn new skills to problem-solve for developments in the industry and for unique projects. When you shift your perspective and realize that everyone is learning, while also having unique advantages, that really shifts things and makes it easier to adapt. 

I also think that I had to make a mental shift about imposter syndrome because I came from academia. There, you need to be a high-level expert before you can actually say you’re good at something. Right from when you defend your PhD dissertation to your advisors, to publishing, to getting tenure, other people are the ones who grant you the status of expert. You’re rarely given the opportunity to claim that sense of expertise for yourself.

The biggest transition for me has been gaining the ability to say that now, I own my experiences, I own the ability to say what I can and can’t do. And I know that if I can do something, I can claim that I can do it. I don’t need anyone else to validate that for me.