"1,500 PEOPLE GIVE ALL THE RELATIONSHIP ADVICE WE’LL EVER NEED" BY MARK MANSON, EDITED DOWN & ANNOTATED BY MARTIN CAMDEN !!
Martin Camden
Trainer, Coach, Author, Public Speaker Director at Heal Our Love / TEXT4LOVE
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1,500 PEOPLE GIVE ALL THE RELATIONSHIP ADVICE WE’LL EVER NEED !!
THE RESULTS OF A SURVEY BY MARK MANSON, AUTHOR, THINKER & ENTHUSIAST !!
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Responses were incredibly repetitive.
And yet they were all saying pretty much the same dozen things ....
1. BE TOGETHER FOR THE RIGHT REASONS
“Don’t ever be with someone because someone else pressured you to. I got married the first time because I was raised Catholic and that’s what you were supposed to do. Wrong. I got married the second time because I was miserable and lonely and thought having a loving wife would fix everything for me. Also wrong. Took me three tries to figure out what should have been obvious from the beginning, the only reason you should ever be with the person you’re with is because you simply love being around them. It really is that simple.” – Greg.
Before we even get into what you should do in your relationship, let’s start with what not to do.
By far, the most common answer was “being with the person for the wrong reasons.”
Some of these wrong reasons included:
- Pressure from friends and family.
- Feeling like a “loser” because they were single and settling for the first person that came along
- Being together for image — because the relationship looked good on paper (or in photos), not because the two people actually admired each other.
- Being young and naive and hopelessly in love and thinking that love would solve everything.
- Naked mute chick on a beach—sounds legit.
As we’ll see throughout the rest of this article, everything that makes a relationship “work” (and by work, I mean that it is happy and sustainable for both people involved) requires a genuine, deep-level admiration for each other. Without that mutual admiration, everything else will unravel.
The other “wrong” reason to enter into a relationship is, like Greg said, to “fix” yourself. This desire to use the love of someone else to soothe your own emotional problems inevitably leads to co-dependence, an unhealthy and damaging dynamic between two people where they tacitly agree to use each other’s love as a distraction from their own self-loathing. We’ll get more into co-dependence later in this article, but for now, it’s useful to point out that love, itself, is neutral. It is something that can be both healthy or unhealthy, helpful or harmful, depending on why and how you love someone else and are loved by someone else. By itself, love is never enough to sustain a relationship.
MARTIN'S REASONS FOR MARRYING ANGIE (1987-1995):
1. WANTED KIDS WITH GOOD EYESIGHT = THIS WORKED OUT OKAY.
2. THOUGHT ANGIE WOULD NEVER DIVORCE ME = ANGIE DIVORCED ME AFTER ONLY 8 YEARS (GOT MY SPERM = 3 WONDERFUL SONS OF GENIUS FATHER; DOESN'T NEED ME ANYMORE).
3. THOUGHT I COULD GET ANGIE TO BE A GOOD MOTHER = THIS WORKED OUT OKAY.
4. ANGIE WAS AN INTERESTING CHARACTER WHO ONLY BECAME DUCKING BORING LATER.
ANGIE'S REASONS FOR MARRYING MARTIN (1987-1995):
HER OTHER OPTION WAS PAUL = MUCH MORE BORING THAN ME = ANGIE BIT OFF MORE THAN SHE COULD CHEW BECAUSE I WAS TOO DUCKING INTERESTING !!
MY CONSEQUENT ADVICE = LIKE / LOVE HER (HIM); NOT WHAT YOU CAN GET OUT OF HER (HIM), I.E. IN MY CASE, GREAT KIDS ~ PS ~ MY 3 SONS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN GREAT AND STILL ARE !!
2. HAVE REALISTIC EXPECTATIONS ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS AND ROMANCE
“You are absolutely not going to be absolutely gaga over each other every single day for the rest of your lives, and all this ‘happily ever after’ bullshit is just setting people up for failure. They go into relationships with these unrealistic expectations. Then, the instant they realise they aren’t ‘gaga’ anymore, they think the relationship is broken and over, and they need to get out. No! There will be days, or weeks, or maybe even longer, when you aren’t all mushy-gushy in-love. You’re even going to wake up some morning and think, “Ugh, you’re still here….” That’s normal! And more importantly, sticking it out is totally worth it, because that, too, will change. In a day, or a week, or maybe even longer, you’ll look at that person and a giant wave of love will inundate you, and you’ll love them so much you think your heart can’t possibly hold it all and is going to burst. Because a love that’s alive is also constantly evolving. It expands and contracts and mellows and deepens. It’s not going to be the way it used to be, or the way it will be, and it shouldn’t be. I think if more couples understood that, they’d be less inclined to panic and rush to break up or divorce.” – Paula.
Romantic love is a trap designed to get two people to overlook each other’s faults long enough to get some baby-making done. It generally only lasts for a few years at most. That dizzying high you get staring into your lover’s eyes as if they are the stars that make up the heavens — yeah, that mostly goes away. It does for everybody. So, once it’s gone, you need to know that you’ve buckled yourself down with a human being you genuinely respect and enjoy being with, otherwise things are going to get rocky.
MARTIN'S 'CYNICISM' / 'MISOGYNY':
BURST YOUR WOMAN'S ROMANTIC BUBBLE AT YOUR PERIL ~ THE CHANCES ARE SHE WILL FIGHT YOU TOOTH AND NAIL AND THEN DIVORCE YOU / NEVER FORGIVE YOU !!
Real love is far more satisfying and meaningful. And, at the end of the day, it brings true happiness, not just another series of highs.
“Happily Ever After doesn’t exist. Every day you wake up and decide to love your partner and your life – the good, the bad and the ugly. Some days it’s a struggle and some days you feel like the luckiest person in the world.” – Tara.
Many people never learn how to breach this deep, unconditional love. Many people are instead addicted to the ups and downs of romantic love. They are in it for the feels, so to speak. And when the feels run out, so do they.
Many people get into a relationship as a way to compensate for something they lack or hate within themselves. This is a one-way ticket to a toxic relationship because it makes your love conditional — you will love your partner as long as they help you feel better about yourself. You will give to them as long as they give to you. You will make them happy as long as they make you happy.
This conditionality prevents any true, deep-level intimacy from emerging and chains the relationship to the bucking throes of each person’s internal dramas.
3. THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR IN A RELATIONSHIP IS NOT COMMUNICATION, BUT RESPECT
“What I can tell you is the #1 thing, most important above all else is respect. It’s not sexual attraction, looks, shared goals, religion or lack of, nor is it love. There are times when you won’t feel love for your partner. That is the truth. But you never want to lose respect for your partner. Once you lose respect you will never get it back.” – Laurie.
IDEALIST BULLSHIT; MIGHT WORK FOR SOME PEOPLE, I.E. PEOPLE NOT DUCKED UP IN CHILDHOOD / CLONES / E.G. UK TV's HOWARD AND HILDA !!
As we scanned through the hundreds of responses we received, my assistant and I began to notice an interesting trend.
People who had been through divorces and/or had only been with their partners for 10-15 years almost always talked about communication being the most important part of making things work. Talk frequently. Talk openly. Talk about everything, even if it hurts ~ YES. YES. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT HURTS !!
WOMEN THINK HURT IS UNNECESSARY; THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND NO PAIN, NO GAIN; SO HURT LANDS WITH THEM THAT THEIR MAN IS SOME KIND OF MONSTROUS CLOWN (CxxT) LIKE ALL OTHER MEN, AS CONFIRMED BY ALL THEIR CLOWN-FRIENDS (BxxCH-FRIENDS) AND IDIOTIC FEMALE MAGAZINES, ETC. !!
SUCH WOMEN WON'T LISTEN TO MEN, BUT MAYBE THEY WILL LISTEN TO LAURA DOYLE (www.lauradoyle.org) OR, IF CHRISTIAN, TO APRIL CASSIDY OR, IF AFTER A QUALITY MAN, THEN MATTHEW HUSSEY ~ BUT DON'T PRICE YOURSELF OUT OF THE MARKET !!
MEN NEED TO FEEL RESPECTED / TRUSTED.
WOMEN NEED TO FEEL EXCLUSIVELY LOVED.
YOU DON'T GET THE LATTER WITHOUT THE FORMER ~ ASK LAURA DOYLE AND APRIL CASSIDY !!
“My husband and I have been together 15 years this winter. I’ve thought a lot about what seems to be keeping us together, while marriages around us crumble (seriously, it’s everywhere… we seem to be at that age). The one word that I keep coming back to is “respect”. Of course, this means showing respect, but that is too superficial. Just showing it isn’t enough. You have to feel it deep within you. I deeply and genuinely respect him for his work ethic, his patience, his creativity, his intelligence, and his core values. From this respect comes everything else – trust, patience, perseverance (because sometimes life is really hard and you both just have to persevere). I want to hear what he has to say (even if I don’t agree with him) because I respect his opinion. I want to enable him to have some free time within our insanely busy lives because I respect his choices of how he spends his time and who he spends time with. And, really, what this mutual respect means is that we feel safe sharing our deepest, most intimate selves with each other.” – Nicole.
WOMEN DON'T RESPECT MEN WHEN WOMEN DON'T UNDERSTAND MEN'S MOTIVES AND ASSUME THAT MEN ARE AS TWAT-ISH AS WOMEN ARE !!
So what does respect look like?
Common examples given by many readers:
NEVER talk shit about your partner or complain about them to your friends. If you have a problem with your partner, you should be having that conversation with them, not with your friends. Talking bad about them will erode your respect for them and make you feel worse about being with them, not better.
Respect that they have different hobbies, interests and perspectives from you. Just because you would spend your time and energy differently, doesn’t mean it’s better/worse.
Respect that they have an equal say in the relationship, that you are a team, and if one person on the team is not happy, then the team is not succeeding.
No secrets. If you’re really in this together and you respect one another, everything should be fair game. Have a crush on someone else? Discuss it. Laugh about it. Had a weird sexual fantasy that sounds ridiculous? Be open about it. Nothing should be off-limits.
Respect goes hand-in-hand with trust. And trust is the lifeblood of any relationship (romantic or otherwise). Without trust, there can be no sense of intimacy or comfort. Without trust, your partner will become a liability in your mind, something to be avoided and analysed, not a protective home-base for your heart and your mind.
THE ABOVE PARAGRAPH IS MAINLY GOBSHITE.
HARD AND FAST RULES ABOUT SUCH THINGS WILL DUCK UP ANY RELATIONSHIP AS THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR TACKLING ALL THINGS NEW AS AND WHEN THEY TURN UP. WOMEN WANT RULES; MEN DON'T NEED THESE = OH DUCK !!
MEN SHOULD AGREE 'RULES' WITH THEIR WIVES, BUT WITH BOTH RESERVING THE RIGHT TO RE-NEGOTIATE THESE AT ANY TIME !!
AGREED 'RULES' SET IN STONE WILL ALLOW THE RELATIONSHIP TO 'TROLL ALONG', BUT WILL RESULT IN IMPOVERISHMENT COMPARED WITH WHAT COULD BE POSSIBLE !!
4. TALK OPENLY ABOUT EVERYTHING, ESPECIALLY THE STUFF THAT HURTS
“We always talk about what’s bothering us with each other, not anyone else! We have so many friends who are in marriages that are not working well and they tell me all about what is wrong. I can’t help them, they need to be talking to their spouse about this, that’s the only person who can help them figure it out. If you can figure out a way to be able to always talk with your spouse about what’s bugging you then you can work on the issue.” – Ronnie.
“There can be no secrets. Secrets divide you. Always.” – Tracey.
SECRETS SHOULD BE FOR LIMITED DURATION ONLY.
CHOOSE YOUR MOMENTS WISELY, OR YOUR RELATIONSHIP MAY END IN CATASTROPHE !!
FROM HER: DOES MY BUM / BUTT LOOK BIG IN THIS?
= BE VERY CAREFUL HOW YOU ANSWER THIS
= GET COACHING FROM ME, COACH MARTIN !!
FROM HIM: IN OUR BEDROOM LIFE, AM I A GOOD ENOUGH LOVER?
= BE VERY CAREFUL HOW YOU ANSWER THIS ALSO.
= GET COACHING FROM ME, COACH MARTIN !!
If something bothers you in the relationship, you must be willing to say it. Saying it builds trust and trust builds intimacy. It may hurt, but you still need to do it. No one else can fix your relationship for you. Nor should anyone else. Just as causing pain to your muscles allows them to grow back stronger, often introducing some pain into your relationship through vulnerability is the only way to make the relationship stronger.
Behind respect, trust was the most commonly mentioned trait for a healthy relationship. Most people mentioned it in the context of jealousy and fidelity — trust your partner to go off on their own, don’t get insecure or angry if you see them talking with someone else, etc.
WOMEN MUST RESPECT / TRUST MEN, OR THEIR MEN WILL STEADILY 'DOWN TOOLS'. A RESPECTED / TRUSTED MAN WILL LOVE HIS ONE AND ONLY WOMAN IN SPADES ~ HE WILL JUST NOT BE ABLE TO HELP THIS = SEE LAURA DOYLE.
WOMEN, IF YOUR MAN IS LOSING INTEREST IN YOU, THEN THIS IS **YOUR** FAULT = SEE LAURA DOYLE !!
If something is bothering you, say something [BUT MEN SHOULD KEEP THEIR MOUTHS SHUT UNTIL THEY HAVE SOUGHT PROFESSIONAL ADVICE]. This is important not only for addressing issues as they arise, but it proves to your partner that you have nothing to hide.
[ALTERNATIVELY, MEN SHOULD LET IT ALL HANG OUT, AND DITCH ANY CLOWN (BxxCH) WHO CAN'T COPE WITH THE TRUTH].
Those icky, insecure things you hate sharing with people? Share them with your partner [BUT NOT BEFORE YOU HAVE BOTH LEARNED TO COPE WITH THIS FACT OF LIFE]. Not only is it healing, but you and your partner need to have a good understanding of each other’s insecurities and the way you each choose to compensate for them.
Make promises and then stick to them. The only way to truly rebuild trust after it’s been broken is through a proven track record over time. You cannot build that track record until you own up to previous mistakes and set about correcting them.
Learn to discern your partner’s own shady behaviour from your own insecurities (and vice-versa). This is hard and will likely require confrontation [BAD WOMEN THINK CONFRONTATION IS EVIL BULLYING = OMG] to get to the bottom of. But in most relationship fights, one person thinks something is completely “normal” [MAN SEES IT AS NECESSARY] and the other thinks it’s really grade-A “fucked up” [WOMAN SEES IT AS RELATIONSHIP INSANITY WHEN IT DUCKING ISN'T].
It’s often extremely hard to distinguish who is being irrational and insecure [UNLESS YOU'RE A MAN ~ OMG] and who is being reasonable and merely standing up for themselves [WOMEN SEEM TO HAVE THIS GOLDEN RULE THAT THEIR MAN / MEN MUST NEVER WIN ~ AS IF LOVE IS SOME KIND OF DUCKING COMPETITION].
Be patient in rooting out what’s what, and when it’s your big, gnarly insecurity (and sometimes it will be, trust me), be honest about it. Own up to it. And strive to be better.
Trust is like a china plate. If you drop it and it breaks, you can put it back together with a lot of work and care. If you drop it and break it a second time, it will split into twice as many pieces and it will require far more time and care to put back together again. But drop and break it enough times, and it will shatter into so many pieces that you will never be able to put it back together again, no matter what you do.
5. A HEALTHY RELATIONSHIP MEANS TWO HEALTHY INDIVIDUALS
“Understand that it is up to you to make yourself happy [WOMEN DON'T SEEM TO KNOW THIS], it is NOT the job of your spouse. I am not saying you shouldn’t do nice things for each other, or that your partner can’t make you happy sometimes. I am just saying don’t lay expectations on your partner to “make you happy.” It is not their responsibility. Figure out as individuals what makes you happy as an individual, be happy yourself, then you each bring that to the relationship.” – Mandy
A lot is made about “sacrifices” in a relationship. You are supposed to keep the relationship happy by consistently sacrificing yourself for your partner and their wants and needs.
SACRIFICES NEED TO BE OF EQUAL DEGREE, AND THERE NEEDS TO BE LONG PERIODS OF PLAIN HAPPY SAILING. LITTLE SACRIFICE ON EITHER SIDE MIGHT WORK, BUT THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SATISFYING / FULFILLING CHRISTIAN LOVE !!
There is some truth to that. Every relationship requires each person to consciously choose to give something up at times.
But the problem is when all of the relationship’s happiness is CONTINGENT [BYE-BYE DUCKING STRINGS] on the other person and both people are in a constant state of sacrifice. Just read that again. That sounds horrible. It reminds me of an old Marilyn Manson song, “Shoot myself to love you; if I loved myself, I’d be shooting you.” A relationship based [ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY] on sacrifices cannot be sustained, and will eventually become damaging to both individuals in it ~ ALTHOUGH PHOENIXES CAN ALWAYS ARISE FROM THE ASHES !!
“Shitty, codependent relationships have an inherent stability because you’re both locked in an implicit bargain to tolerate the other person’s bad behaviour because they’re tolerating yours, and neither of you wants to be alone. On the surface, it seems like “compromising in relationships because that’s what people do,” but the reality is that resentments build up, and both parties become the other person’s emotional hostage against having to face and deal with their own bullshit (it took me 14 years to realise this, by the way).” – Karen.
EITHER END THIS KIND OF RELATIONSHIP EARLY IN THE DAY, OR PERSIST TO THE BITTER-SWEET / SWEET-BITTER / BLOODY AMAZING END ~ I HAVE ENDED UP WITH THIS LATTER OUTCOME. BUT I REALLY DON'T RECOMMEND IT, AS THERE ARE MUCH EASIER WAYS TO SKIN A CAT !!
A healthy and happy relationship requires two healthy and happy individuals. Keyword here: “individuals.” That means two people with their own identities, their own interests and perspectives, and things they do by themselves, on their own time.
YEAH, YEAH. YEAH, YEAH ~ BUT THE ONLY WAY TO GET HERE IS THROUGH THE SHITE OF NEVER-ENDING MUTUALLY RESPECTFUL VERBAL (AND SEXUAL) INTERCOURSE ~ SO YOU MAY CHOOSE TO REMAIN SINGLE, DYSFUNCTIONAL AND RELATIVELY HAPPY !!
This is why attempting to control your partner (or submitting control over yourself to your partner) to make them “happy” ultimately backfires — it allows the individual identities of each person to be destroyed, the very identities that attracted each person and brought them together in the first place.
“Don’t try to change them. This is the person you chose. They were good enough to marry so don’t expect them to change now.” – Allison.
WOMEN SHOULD TRAIN MEN LIKE DOLPHINS ARE TRAINED = MAKE NO FUSS ABOUT 'OFFENDING BEHAVIOUR', BUT REWARD MASSIVELY EVERY TINY STEP TOWARDS THE BEHAVIOUR YOU WISH TO BRING ABOUT. AND YOU CAN'T TRAIN DOLPHINS (/ MEN) NOT TO DO SOMETHING, BUT YOU CAN TRAIN THEM TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH WHAT YOU DON'T WANT. SO, IF YOU DON'T WANT HIM TO PINCH YOUR BUM / BUTT. THEN TRAIN HIM TO KEEP HIS HANDS IN HIS POCKETS WHEN HE'S NEAR YOU ~ A SILLY EXAMPLE, BUT IT MAKES THE POINT WELL !!
THE SAME CAN WORK THE OTHER WAY AROUND, BUT WOMEN ARE MUCH BETTER AT 'SMELLING NON-EXISTENT RATS' AND THEN COMING TO THE WRONG CONCLUSIONS ~ SEE LAURA DOYLE !!
“Don’t ever give up who you are for the person you’re with. It will only backfire and make you both miserable. Have the courage to be who you are, and most importantly, let your partner be who they are. Those are the two people who fell in love with each other in the first place.” – Dave.
But how does one do this? Well, it’s a bit counter-intuitive. But it’s something hundreds and hundreds of successful couples echoed in their emails…
6. GIVE EACH OTHER SPACE
“Be sure you have a life of your own, otherwise it is harder to have a life together. What do I mean? Have your own interests, your own friends, your own support network, and your own hobbies. Overlap where you can, but not being identical should give you something to talk about and expose one another to. It helps to expand your horizons as a couple, but isn’t so boring as both living the exact same life.” – Anonymous.
WARNING: MAKE SURE YOU ARE SEEKING YOUR OWN SPACE FOR HEALTHY / GODLY REASONS, AND CHECK OUT YOUR FEARS OF HEAD-IN-SAND NONSENSE FROM YOUR SIGNIFICANT OTHER (SEE ABOVE).
“Going on seventeen years. If you love your partner enough you will let them be who they are, you don’t own them, who they hang with, what they do or how they feel. Drives me nuts when I see women not let their husbands go out with the guys or are jealous of other women.” – Natalie.
TO NOT CARE ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE PARTNER GETS UP TO WHEN AWAY FROM YOUR NOTICINGS IS NOT LOVE, BUT SHEER STUPIDITY ~ BUT. FOR DUCKS SAKE, DON'T GO SEARCHING THROUGH HIS/HER DIARY / TEXT MESSAGES / E-MAIL ACCOUNT = OMG !!
7. YOU AND YOUR PARTNER WILL GROW AND CHANGE IN UNEXPECTED WAYS; EMBRACE IT
“Over the course of 20 years we both have changed tremendously. We have changed faiths, political parties, numerous hair colours and styles, but we love each other and possibly even more. Our grown kids constantly tell their friends what hopeless romantics we are. And the biggest thing that keeps us strong is not giving a fuck about what anyone else says about our relationship.” – Dotti.
COACH MARTIN LOVES THIS ONE !!
GROW EVER-MORE-SO TOGETHER FOREVER = WOW !!
One theme that came up repeatedly, especially with those married 20+ years, was how much each individual changes as the decades roll on, and how ready each of you have to be to embrace the other partner as these changes occur. One reader commented that at her wedding, an elderly family member told her, “One day many years from now, you will wake up and your spouse will be a different person, make sure you fall in love with that person too.”
It logically follows that if there is a bedrock of respect for each individual’s interests and values underpinning the relationship, and each individual is encouraged to foster their own growth and development, that each person will, as time goes on, evolve in different and unexpected ways. It’s then up to the couple to communicate and make sure that they are consistently a) aware of the changes going on in their partner, and b) continually accepting and respecting those changes as they occur.
[THE BIBLICAL WIFE FOLLOWING THE HUSBAND'S LEAD WORKS BEST HERE ~ BUT SELLING THE MERITS OF BIBLE AWARENESS IS NOT MY PRIORITY HERE. GOD-THEORY MAY WELL BE A CROCK OF SHITE BUT, AS A **NARRATIVE** IT CAN HELP ANYONE TO BECOME MORE OF A GOOD SAMARITAN ~ FOR DUCK'S SAKE FAMILIARISE YOURSELF WITH THE BIBLE'S BEST BITS, AND MAYBE THE SCRIPTURE OF OTHER RELIGIONS TOO ~ I FIND CHRISTIAN AND BUDDHIST PARABLES DUCKING AMAZING] !!
“When you commit to someone, you don’t actually know who you’re committing to. You know who they are today, but you have no idea who this person is going to be in five years, ten years, and so on. You have to be prepared for the unexpected, and truly ask yourself if you admire this person regardless of the superficial (or not-so-superficial) details, because I promise almost all of them at some point are going to either change or go away.” – Michael.
COMMIT TO POTENTIAL AND THEN NEVER LET GO !!
But this isn’t easy, of course. In fact, at times, it will be downright soul-destroying.
Which is why you need to make sure you and your partner know how to fight ......... NOW FOR THE HARDEST BIT !!
8. GET GOOD AT FIGHTING
“The relationship is a living, breathing thing. Much like the body and muscles, it cannot get stronger without stress and challenge. You have to fight. You have to hash things out. Obstacles make the marriage.” -- Ryan Saplan.
BUT WOMEN THINK FIGHTING IS STUPID = OMG !!
John Gottman is a hot-shit psychologist and researcher who has spent over 30 years analysing married couples and looking for keys to why they stick together and why they break up. Chances are, if you’ve read any relationship advice article before, you’ve either directly or indirectly been exposed to his work. When it comes to, “Why do people stick together?” he dominates the field.
What Gottman does is he gets married couples in a room, puts some cameras on them, and then he asks them to have a fight.
Notice: he doesn’t ask them to talk about how great the other person is. He doesn’t ask them what they like best about their relationship.
He asks them to fight. Pick something they’re having problems with and talk about it for the camera.
And from simply analysing the film for the couple’s discussion (or shouting match, whatever), he’s able to predict with startling accuracy whether a couple will divorce or not.
But what’s most interesting about Gottman’s research is that the things that lead to divorce are not necessarily what you think. Successful couples, like unsuccessful couples, he found, fight consistently. And some of them fight furiously.
He has been able to narrow down four characteristics of a couple that tend to lead to divorces (or breakups). He has gone on and called these “the four horsemen” of the relationship apocalypse in his books. They are:
** Criticising your partner’s character (“You’re so stupid” vs “That thing you did was stupid”).
** Defensiveness (or basically, blame shifting, “I wouldn’t have done that if you weren’t late all the time”).
** Contempt (putting down your partner and making them feel inferior).
** Stonewalling (withdrawing from an argument and ignoring your partner).
SORRY, JOHN GOTTMAN, I CAN DO A LOT BETTER THAN THIS ~ AVOIDING NOT-NICENESS IS **NOT** THE WAY TO GO ~ UNLESS YOU'RE BOTH OKAY WITH LOW-GRADE MONOTONY FOREVER !!
1. TURN ALL CRITICISMS INTO ALLEGATIONS, AND THEN JOINTLY INVESTIGATE THE TRUTHS AND FALSITUDES OF EACH SEPARATE ALLEGATION IN TURN ~ COUNTERING MANY (UNSPOKEN ALLEGATIONS) AT THE SAME TIME IS WHAT LEADS TO DUCKING CHAOS !!
2. YEAH, BLAME-SHIFTING IS A DUCKING 'NO-NO' ~ JUST CALL THIS OUT AND/OR STOP DOING THIS !!
3. PUTTING YOUR PARTNER DOWN WILFULLY / CASUALLY IS DUCKING EVIL, BUT FINDING THE UNDERLYING ALLEGATIONS, AND THEN DISCUSSING THEM ADULT-TO-ADULT IS NOT !!
4. YEAH, STONEWALLING IS A DUCKING 'NO-NO', USUALLY, BUT NOT ALWAYS, THE DUCKING CLOWN (BITCH) ~ BUT NOTE: MEN CAN BE BxxCHES TOO !!
The reader emails back this up as well. Out of the 1,500-some-odd emails, almost every single one referenced the importance of dealing with conflicts well.
Advice given by readers included:
Never insult or name-call your partner. Put another way: hate the sin, love the sinner. Gottman’s research found that “contempt” — belittling and demeaning your partner — is the number one predictor of divorce.
** WE'RE HUMAN, SO SUCH SHITE LEAKS OUT FROM TIME TO TIME ~ NEVER SHAME YOUR PARTNER FOR BEING HUMAN (LADIES, TAKE NOTE).
** MAYBE, NOT OKAY TO SHAME YOUR PARTNER FOR BEING INSANE / INCOHERENT / COUNTERPRODUCTIVE (MEN, TAKE NOTE).
** AND WOMEN, BEING INTUITIVE, KNOW WHEN THEY'RE BEING DISRESPECTED WITHOUT A WORD HAVING BEEN UTTERED.
** AND MEN, BEING INTUITIVE, KNOW WHEN A STEAMROLLER IS BEING DRIVEN OVER THEIR SENSIBILITIES.
Do not bring previous fights/arguments into current ones. This solves nothing and just makes the fight twice as bad as it was before. Yeah, you forgot to pick up groceries on the way home, but what does him being rude to your mother last Thanksgiving have to do with anything?
** WOMEN DON'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THIS ONE. THEY KEEP A MENTAL TAB, WHICH THEY RUN THOUGH TO JUSTIFY EACH AND EVERY ONSLAUGHT = OMG.
** MEN JUST WANT TO DIE WHEN AN ISSUE THAT THEY THOUGHT WAS RESOLVED YEARS AGO, GETS RAISED YET AGAIN FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME !!
If things get too heated, take a breather. Remove yourself from the situation and come back once emotions have cooled off a bit. This is a big one for me personally, sometimes when things get intense with my wife, I get overwhelmed and just leave for a while. I usually walk around the block 2-3 times and let myself seethe for about 15 minutes. Then I come back and we’re both a bit calmer and we can resume the discussion with a much more conciliatory tone.
** MAKE SURE YOU HAVE AGREED RULES FOR TIMEOUT AND RESUMPTION, AND STICK TO THESE / REVIEW THEM, UNLESS YOU LIKE THE IDEA OF DIVORCE< AND BRINGING UP THE KIDS ALONE !!
** AND FOR THOSE LADIES THAT SABOTAGE EACH AND EVERY ATTEMPT A RESUMPTION BY THEIR MEN, I ADVISE SAID SUCH MEN TO DIVORCE YOU IMMEDIATELY (TAKING THE KIDS IF POSSIBLE ON GROUNDS OF UNREASONABLE BEHAVIOUR) !!
NB: MEN'S 'UNREASONABLE BEHAVIOUR' IS IN MOST CASES PROVOKED BY THE UNREASONABLE BEHAVIOUR OF THEIR WIVES, BUT SOCIETY MAKES FEMALE 'INSANITY' INVISIBLE = OMG !!
IN THE UK, MEN TO SEE SOLICITORS 'CORDELL & CORDELL', TO TURN THE TABLES ON A STUPID CLOWN (BxxCH) !!
Remember that being “right” is not as important as both people feeling respected and heard. You may be right, but if you are right in such a way that makes your partner feel unloved, then there’s no real winner.
But all of this takes for granted another important point: be willing to fight in the first place.
TOLERATING 'INSANITY' WILL GUARANTEE A SUBSTANDARD LIFE. CALMING 'INSANITY' WILL LEAD TO A GLORIOUS LIFE EVENTUALLY WITH THE HELP OF 'HAPPY COUPLE COACH MARTIN CAMDEN' OR, MEN TO GO MGTOW, AND CONFIRMED SPINSTERS TO JOIN SOME KIND OF 'WEIRDO' SORORITY ~ e.g. A CONVENT !!
I think when people talk about the necessity for “good communication” all of the time (a vague piece of advice that everyone says but few people seem to actually clarify what it means), this is what they mean: be willing to have the uncomfortable talks. Be willing to have the fights. Say the ugly things and get it all out in the open.
IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO LEARN THE ART OF FAIR FIGHTING (THERE ARE MANY BOOKS ON THIS), THEN DON'T GET MARRIED, OR YOU WILL ABUSE YOUR KIDS, AND/OR YOUR EX WILL END UP IN AN ASYLUM, AND/OR AS YET ANOTHER MALE SUICIDE !!
This was a constant theme from the divorced readers. Dozens (hundreds?) of them had more or less the same sad story to tell:
“But there’s no way on God’s Green Earth this is her fault alone. There were times when I saw huge red flags. Instead of trying to figure out what in the world was wrong, I just ploughed ahead. I’d buy more flowers, or candy, or do more chores around the house. I was a “good” husband in every sense of the word. But what I wasn’t doing was paying attention to the right things. She wasn’t telling me there wasn’t a problem but there was. And instead of saying something, I ignored all of the signals.” – Jim.
WOMEN SEEM TO AVOID / EVADE SAYING WHAT THEIR REAL PROBLEMS ARE PUTTING THEIR MEN IN NO WIN SITUATIONS. AND WOMEN SAY THEY DON'T WANT HELP (THEY JUST WANT OT BE LISTENED TO) WHEN THIS IS CLEARLY NOT THE CASE !!
ADVICE TO MEN: YOU ARE A PROBLEM-SOLVING MACHINE, NOT A RECEPTACLE FOR FEMALE EMOTIONAL INCONTINENCE ~ TELL HER TO GO AND DRIVE THE SAMARITANS INSANE = UK TELEPHONE 116123 !!
9. GET GOOD AT FORGIVING
“When you end up being right about something – shut up. You can be right and be quiet at the same time. Your partner will already know you’re right and will feel loved knowing that you didn’t wield it like a bastard sword.” – Brian.
“In marriage, there’s no such thing as winning an argument.” – Bill.
I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THIS ONE ~ AFTER GETTING MY FILIPINA FIANCEE TO REALISE THAT I WAS PRACTISING ACTIVE LISTENING AN SHE WAS NOT (EVEN THOUGH SHE WAS A DUCKING CUSTOMER SERVICE SUPERVISOR ~ OH MY DUCKING GOD), SHE SAID, "OMG, I'M LEARNING SO MUCH FROM HAVING YOU IN MY LIFE, I'M SO LUCKY TO HAVE YOU ~ BUT THEN, WHEN I DECLARED A BREAK AFTER SHE DUCKING STARTED SULKING ON ME SHE USED THIS AS AN EXCUSE TO DUMP ME, SO MAYBE BRAIN ABOVE IS RIGHT !?
BUT HOW CAN ONE CAVE INTO SHEER IDIOCY AND STILL END UP WITH SOME QUALITY OF LIFE !?
To me, perhaps the most interesting nugget from Gottman’s research is the fact that most successful couples don’t actually resolve all of their problems. In fact, his findings were completely backwards from what most people actually expect: people in lasting and happy relationships have problems that never completely go away, while couples that feel as though they need to agree and compromise on everything end up feeling miserable and falling apart.
I THINK PEOPLE WHO PUT UP WITH SUBSTANDARD LIVES ARE IDIOTS BUT THEN I'M MOST LIKELY A GLUTTON FOR PUNISHMENT, AND I'M MOTIVATED BY FABULOUS REWARDS !!
WHAT WORKS FOR YOU (PREFERABLY FOR EACH OF YOU EQUALLY), WORKS FOR YOU, AND DON'T LET SOME KNOW IT ALL TELL YOU OTHERWISE. IF YOU'RE OKAY ABOUT PRETENDING TO BE THE IDIOT PARTNER WHEN YOU KNOW FULL WELL YOU ARE NOT, THEN GOOD LUCK TO YOU ~ HAVE I MENTIONED THE POWER OF TELLING CALCULATED LIES !?
HER: DOES MY BUM / BUTT LOOK BIG IN THIS !?
HIM: GREAT CHOICE. DARLING, AS USUAL, BUT YOUR BLUE DRESS LOOKS JUST AS GOOD ON YOU ~ YOU DECIDE, MY LOVE !!
[IF YOU JUST SAY 'NO' EVERY TIME THEN, EVENTUALLY, SHE'LL SUSS THAT YOU'RE TELLING LIES, THAT YOU NO LONGER LOVE HER, THAT YOU'VE NEVER LOVED HER, ETC.] !!
HIM: IN OUR BEDROOM LIFE, DARLING, AM I A GOOD ENOUGH LOVER !?
HER: WHAT A SILLY QUESTION, DARLING, CAN'T YOU TELL THAT MY ORGASMS ARE NOT FAKE !? ~ LOL !!
To me, like everything else, this comes back to the respect thing. If you have two different individuals sharing a life together, it’s inevitable that they will have different values and perspectives on some things and clash over it. The key here is not changing the other person — as the desire to change your partner is inherently disrespectful (to both them and yourself) — but rather it’s to simply abide by the difference, love them despite it, and when things get a little rough around the edges, to forgive them for it.
IS IT REAL RESPECT, IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY HUMOURING THEM !? ~ OMG !!
“Everyone says that compromise is key, but that’s not how my husband and I see it. It’s more about seeking understanding. Compromise is bullshit, because it leaves both sides unsatisfied, losing little pieces of themselves in an effort to get along. On the other hand, refusing to compromise is just as much of a disaster, because you turn your partner into a competitor (“I win, you lose”). These are the wrong goals, because they’re outcome-based rather than process-based. When your goal is to find out where your partner is coming from – to truly understand on a deep level – you can’t help but be altered by the process. Conflict becomes much easier to navigate because you see more of the context.” – Michelle.
THIS BULLSHIT MAY SUIT THE WOMEN SO, MAYBE, LIE, AND GO ALONG WITH THIS !!
I PREFER:
1. GET THE FULL ATTENTION OF THE OTHER ~ OFTEN DUCKING DIFFICULT.
2. SEEK COOPERATION FOR COOPERATION / PEACE.
3. THE MAN TO SACRIFICE SECRETLY FOR THE SAKE OF PEACE ~ OMG, WHAT DUCKING MARTYRS WE MEN ARE.
4. MAYBE, AS THE RELATIONSHIP MATURES, SHE WILL REALISE WHAT A SAINT HER HUSBAND HAS BEEN, AND SO LOVE HIM MORE GENUINELY FOR A CHANGE ~ OR MAYBE NOT !!
I’ve written for years that the key to happiness is not achieving your lofty dreams, or experiencing some dizzying high, but rather finding the struggles and challenges that you enjoy enduring.
OMG ~ THIS SOUNDS SICK TO ME ~ BUT HORSES FOR COURSES !!
A similar concept seems to be true in relationships: your perfect partner is not someone who creates no problems in the relationship, rather your perfect partner is someone who creates problems in the relationship that you feel good about dealing with.
OMG ~ **CREATE** PROBLEMS ~ AS IF THERE AREN'T ENOUGH REAL ONES !!
IF MARTIN'S COACHING CAN'T HELP, THEN SHE'S UNREFORMABLE ~ SO DITCH THE BxxCH ~ PREFERABLY BEFORE ANY CHILDREN COME ALONG !!
But how do you get good at forgiving? What does that actually mean? Again, some advice from the readers:
WHEN A MAN FORGIVES ~ SHE TAKES THE PISS.
SHE SHOULD LEAD THE WAY TOWARDS MAKING ALLOWANCES FOR EACH OTHERS ROUGH EDGES WITH EQUAL MUTUALITY !!
WOMAN LIKE BAD BOYS, WHO HAVE NO REGARD FOR THEIR SPURIOUS FEELINGS, AND THROW THEM AROUND A BIT ~ PLEASE, LADIES, TAME A NICE GUY LIKE A DOLPHIN (SEE ABOVE), AND DON'T PUT UP WITH SHIT BECAUSE THIS MAKES YOU FEEL MORE UNDERSTOOD AND SAFE !!
When an argument is over, it’s over [UNLESS YOU'RE ADDICTED TO NURSING YOUR GRUDGES]. Some couples went as far as to make this the golden rule in their relationship. When you’re done fighting, it doesn’t matter who was right and who was wrong, it doesn’t matter if someone was mean and someone was nice. It’s over. It’s in the past. And you both agree to leave it there, not bring it up every month for the next three years [THIS IS NOT NATURAL FOR A WOMAN ~ CAN SHE BE HELPED TO BE MORE SANE?].
There’s no scoreboard. No one is trying to “win” here. There’s no, “You owe me this because you screwed up the laundry last week.” There’s no, “I’m always right about financial stuff, so you should listen to me.” There’s no, “I bought her three gifts and she only did me one favour.” Everything in the relationship is given and done unconditionally — that is: without expectation or manipulation [WITH WOMEN, ARE THERE NOT **ALWAYS** STRINGS?].
When your partner screws up, you separate the intentions from the behaviour [BUT WHAT I SHE FINDS YOU'RE BEHAVIOUR UNACCEPTABLE, AND MISREADS YOUR MOTIVATIONS AND INTENTIONS, AND REFUSES TO TALK ABOUT ALTERNATIVE PERSPECTIVES?].
You recognise the things you love and admire in your partner and understand that he/she was simply doing the best that they could, yet messed up out of ignorance [HOW CAN ONE ADMIRE A STEAMROLLER MOVING INEXORABLY IN YOUR DIRECTION?].
Not because they’re a bad person [WHO SAID BAD; BUT WHAT CAN ONE DO ABOUT OUT-OF _CONTROL?].
Not because they secretly hate you [FOR ENDLESSLY EXPOSING THEIR INSANITY JUST BE BEING YOURSELF], and want to divorce you [NOT WANT, BTU FINALLY DO SO OUT OF DESPERATION].
Not because there’s somebody else in the background [SOMEONE'S TOXIC MOTHER] pulling them away from you.
They are a good person [SO THEY ALWAYS INSIST WITH MENACES].
That’s why you are with them [DOES BETTER ELSEWHERE EVEN EXIST? ~ IF YOU FIND MUCH BETTER, WON'T YOU BE STUPID NOT TO GO FOR IT?].
If you ever lose your faith in that, then you will begin to erode your faith in yourself [ISN'T STAYING AN EVEN WORSE OPTION?].
And finally, pick your battles wisely. You and your partner only have so many fucks to give, make sure you both are saving them for the real things that matter.
HIM: DO NOT BATTLE AT ALL, AS REASON CANNOT WIN AGAINST UNREASON ~ BUT IF YOU GROVEL MOSTLY, THEN SHE **MIGHT** TAKE NOTE WHEN YOU PUT YOUR FOOT DOWN IN DIRE EMERGENCIES !!
HIM: TELL LIES TO VALIDATE WHATEVER SHITE SHE COMES OUT WITH, UNTIL SHE TRUSTS YOU ENOUGH FOR YOU TO SLIP IN SOME EXCUSE FOR GOING BACK TO SOME KIND OF NORMALCY !!
HER: TRAIN HIM LIKE A DOLPHIN ~ SEE ABOVE ~ OR STUDY WITH LAURA DOYLE (SEE ABOVE) !!
“Been happily married 40+ years. One piece of advice that comes to mind: choose your battles. Some things matter, worth getting upset about. Most do not. Argue over the little things and you’ll find yourself arguing endlessly; little things pop up all day long, it takes a toll over time. Like Chinese water torture: minor in the short term, corrosive over time. Consider: is this a little thing or a big thing? Is it worth the cost of arguing?” – Fred.
YES ~ ARGUE ABOUT THE BIG THINGS TO MAKE THE RELATIONSHIP REAL, BUT HIM TO MAKE PEACE BEFORE THE POLICE GET CALLED !!
10. THE LITTLE THINGS ADD UP TO BIG THINGS
“If you don’t take the time to meet for lunch, go for a walk or go out to dinner and a movie with some regularity then you basically end up with a roommate. Staying connected through life’s ups and downs is critical. Eventually your kids grow up, your obnoxious brother-in-law will join a monastery and your parents will die. When that happens, guess who’s left? You got it… Mr./Mrs. Right! You don’t want to wake up 20 years later and be staring at a stranger because life broke the bonds you formed before the shitstorm started. You and your partner need to be the eye of the hurricane.” – Brian.
THIS IS THE BEST ADVICE YET ~ IF YOU HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON WHY THE DUCK ARE YOU TOGETHER !?
THE BEST RELATIONSHIPS HAVE MUCH IN COMMON, BUT MUCH CHALK AND CHEESE ALSO ~ EXCEPT WITH CLONES WHO ARE LIKE TV'S HOWARD AND HILDA !!
BE BUDDIES AND MUTUAL CONFIDANTS IN LIFE AND IN THE BEDROOM !!
Of the 1,500 responses I got, I’d say about ½ of them mentioned at some point or another one simple but effective piece of advice: Don’t ever stop doing the little things. They add up.
YES, BTU WHAT LITTLE THINGS ~ BOTH MUST TAKE THE GUESSWORK OUT OF THIS, AND BOTH MUST MAKE EQUAL EFFORT !!
Things as simple as saying, “I love you,” before going to bed, holding hands during a movie, doing small favours here and there, helping with some household chores. Even cleaning up when you accidentally pee on the toilet seat (seriously, someone said that) — these things all matter and add up over the long run.
NOT A GOOD IDEA TO CREATE A RELATIONSHIP OF MUTUAL INGRATIATION ~ BUT CLEANING THE TOILET SEAT A GOOD IDEA ~ AND WHICH WAY TO UNROLL THE TOILET ROLL ~ OMG ~ AND TOILET SEAT UP OR DOWN ~ OMG !!
The same way Fred, married for 40+ years, stated above that arguing over small things consistently wears you both down, “like Chinese water torture,” so do the little favours and displays of affection add up. Don’t lose them.
CHINESE WATER TORTURE = NAGGING !?
OR PRETENDING SHE'S NOT DESTROYING YOUR LOVE FOR HER WHEN SHE DUCKING IS !?
This seems to become particularly important once kids enter the picture. The big message I heard hundreds of times about kids: put the marriage first.
THE HUSBAND NEEDS TO BE THE REFEREE BETWEEN THE WIFE AND THE KIDS ~ DISCRETELY WITHOUT EACH SIDE KNOWING WHAT IS GOING ON FOR THE OTHER.
"WAIT 'TIL YOUR FATHER GETS HOME IS A GOOD LINE"
(CHILDREN TO LOVE THEIR MOTHER, NOT TO HATE HER ~ DAD'S JOB TO BE HATED, ON AND OFF)
~ BACK UP YOUR WIFE WITHOUT BEING NASTY TO YOUR KIDS, THEN GET HER TO APOLOGISE TO YOUR KIDS, IF NECESSARY, WHEN YOU'RE NOT AROUND !!
“Children are worshipped in our culture these days. Parents are expected to sacrifice everything for them. But the best way to raise healthy and happy kids is to maintain a healthy and happy marriage. Good kids don’t make a good marriage. A good marriage makes good kids. So keep your marriage the top priority.” – Susan.
MY KIDS ARE GREAT BECAUSE I MADE THEM SO. SHAME THE BITCH IS BIG ENOUGH TO REBEL / EXPLOIT !! RODEO TAMING = NOT A GOOD IDEA & PROBABLY ILLEGAL UNLESS MUSLIM = MORE LIKE BITCH WHISPERING (DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO DO THIS AS I DON'T YET KNOW) !!
Relationship advice: happy family walking on sunset
Readers implored to maintain regular “date nights,” to plan weekend getaways and to make time for sex, even when you’re tired, even when you’re stressed and exhausted and the baby is crying, even when junior has soccer practice at 5:30AM the next day. Make time for it. It’s worth it.
IF DATE NIGHTS ARE NO FUN. I THINK THE RELATIONSHIP IS OVER ~ UNLESS SHE STUDIES WITH LAURA DOYLE !!
WHERE SEX DOES NOT COME EASY. THEN REGULAR DATE FOR SEX A GOOD IDEA ~ SAY 3PM EVERY SUNDAY AFTERNOON !!
Oh, and speaking of sex…
11. SEX MATTERS… A LOT. =======> ** AGREED **
“And you know how you know if you or her are slipping? Sex starts to slide. Period. No other test required.” – Anonymous.
I still remember back in college, it was one of my first relationships with a cute little redhead. We were young and naive and crazy about each other. And, because we happened to live in the same dorm, we were banging like rabbits.
It was everything a 19-year-old male could ask for.
Then after a month or two, we hit our first “rough patch” in the relationship. We fought more often, found ourselves getting annoyed with each other, and suddenly our multiple-times-per-day habit magically dried up. And it wasn’t just with her, but with me. To my surprised adolescent male mind, it was actually possible to have sex available to you yet not want it.
It was almost, like, sex was connected to emotions. For a dumb 19-year-old, this was a complete shocker.
That was the first time I discovered a truth about relationships: sex is the State of the Union. If the relationship is good, the sex will be good. You both will be wanting it and enjoying it. When the relationship is bad — when there are unresolved problems and unaddressed negative emotions — then the sex will often be the first thing to go out the window.
This was reiterated to me hundreds of times in the emails. The nature of the sex itself varied quite a bit among couples — some couples take sexual experimentation seriously, others are staunch believers in frequency, others get way into fantasies — but the underlying principle was the same everywhere: both partners should be sexually satisfied as often as possible.
But sex not only keeps the relationship healthy, many readers suggested that they use it to heal their relationships. That when things are a bit frigid between them or that they have some problems going on, a lot of stress, or other issues (i.e., kids), they even go so far as to schedule sexy time for themselves. They say it’s important. And it’s worth it.
A few people even said that when things start to feel stale in the relationship, they agree to have sex every day for a week. Then, as if by magic, by the next week, they feel great again.
AGAIN, HORSES FOR COURSES, BUT I SAY THAT GOOD SEX IS A LITMUS TEST ~ WHEN THE SEX IS NOT FREQUENT ENOUGH OR FUN OR SATISFYING ENOUGH FOR ONE OR THE OTHER, THEN BOTH SHOULD LAY OFF SEX ALTOGETHER UNTIL THE UNDERLYING RELATIONSHIP PROBLEMS HAVE BEEN REVEALED AND HEALED WELL ENOUGH WITH THE HELP OF MUTUAL LOVING REGARD !!
IF YOU FIND YOU CAN'T DO THIS ALONE, THEN GET SOME PROFESSIONAL HELP !!
AND ALWAYS, WITH SEX, TRY BEFORE YOU BUY IN BOTH DIRECTIONS. I LIKE THE OLD FASHIONED PROTOCOL OF SEX ON THIRD DATE, UNLESS THIRD DATE NEVER TAKES PLACE. THIS PROTOCOL SAVES ONE HELL OF A LOT OF SHITE !!
IF THE SEX IS NOWHERE NEAR GOOD ENOUGH FOR ONE OR THE OTHER, THEN THE RELATIONSHIP IS UNLIKELY TO SURVIVE ANY SERIOUS TRAIN WRECK !!
Cue the Marvin Gaye tunes:
12. BE PRACTICAL, AND CREATE RELATIONSHIP RULES
“There is no 50/50 in housecleaning, child rearing, vacation planning, dishwasher emptying, gift buying, dinner making, money making, etc. The sooner everyone accepts that, the happier everyone is. We all have things we like to do and hate to do; we all have things we are good at and not so good at. TALK to your partner about those things when it comes to dividing and conquering all the crap that has to get done in life.” – Liz.
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ~ BULLYING THE OTHER WITH APPEAL TO SOCIAL NORMS IS AN ABSOLUTE 'NO-NO' !!
YOU'RE RELATIONSHIP IS UNIQUE, SO WHAT IS COMPROMISE FOR YOU (EQUAL BURDEN / EQUAL JOY) COULD EASILY BE A DUCKING NIGHTMARE FOR ANOTHER COUPLE !!
DON'T ARGUE WITH OTHER COUPLES EITHER ~ THIS IS DUCKING POINTLESS !!
AND DON'T TAKE SIDES WHEN WANTING TO HELP OTHER COUPLE PARTNERS THAT YOU CARE ABOUT ~ SUPPORT THEM IN FINDING THEIR OWN WAY THROUGH THEIR OWN MESS !!
Everyone has an image in their mind of how a relationship should work. Both people share responsibilities. Both people manage to finely balance their time together with the time for themselves. Both pursue engaging and invigorating interests on their own and then share the benefits together. Both take turns cleaning the toilet and blowing each other and cooking gourmet lasagne for the extended family at Thanksgiving (although not all at the same time).
YEAH, IMPOSE YOU'RE RIGID VIEWS ON THE OTHER, AND THEN STAND BY HELPLESSLY AS YOUR RELATIONSHIP DIES !!
Then there’s how relationships actually work.
Messy. Stressful. Miscommunication flying everywhere so that both of you feel as though you’re in a perpetual state of talking to a wall.
THE ABOVE IS A RELATIONSHIP THAT'S NOT WORKING !!
The fact is relationships are imperfect, messy affairs. And it’s for the simple reason that they’re comprised of imperfect, messy people — people who want different things at different times in different ways and oh, they forgot to tell you? Well, maybe if you had been listening, ass-hole.
YEAH, BUT HANDLED WELL, MESSINESS COMES AND GOES OVER TIME. ALWAYS HEADING IN A DIRECTION OF MORE PEACE, MORE CALM, MORE CONNECTEDNESS, MORE EASE, HAPPINESS AND EVEN JOY !!
MEN UNDERSTAND 3 STEPS FORWARD, FOLLOWED BY 1, 2, 3, OR 4 STEPS BACKWARD, GIVING AN AVERAGE OF HALF A STEP FORWARD PER CYCLE. BUT WOMEN JUST WANT TO GO HALF A STEP FORWARDS MOSTLY, AND THEY JUST CAN'T GRASP THE MALE WAY OF DOING THINGS ~ THIS CAN CAUSE A LOT OF STRESS. THE MAN HERE NEEDS HER RESPECT / TRUST, OTHERWISE THE RELATIONSHIP WILL BE DOOMED !!
BAD MEN ARE HEARTLESS & EXPLOITATIVE !!
BAD WOMEN ARE REBELLIOUS & EXPLOITATIVE !!
I SEE A VICIOUS CIRCLE HERE !!
WOMEN TO TRAIN MEN LIKE A DOLPHIN (SEE ABOVE).
OR TO STUDY WITH LAURA DOYLE (SECULAR).
OR TO STUDY WITH APRIL CASSIDY (CHRISTIAN).
OR TO STUDY WITH MATTHEW HUSSEY (FOR THE THOROUGHLY MODERN SANE WOMEN) !!
MEN CAN GET HELP FROM COACH MARTIN TO GO MGTOW WITH INTEGRITY ~ NO PUMP AND DUMP, PLEASE ~ UNTIL A GREAT POTENTIAL COUPLING TURNS UP !!
The common theme of the advice here was be pragmatic. If the wife is a lawyer and spends 50 hours at the office every week, and the husband is an artist and can work from home most days, it makes more sense for him to handle most of the day-to-day parenting duties. If the wife’s standard of cleanliness looks like a Home & Garden catalogue, and the husband has gone six months without even noticing the light fixture hanging from the ceiling, then it makes sense that the wife handles more of the home cleaning duties.
BOTH PRAGMATISM AND ROMANCE ARE IMPORTANT ~ ONE PARTNER SHOULD TAKE THE LEAD IN ONE OF THESE AREAS, AND THE OTHER IN THE OTHER !!
It’s economics 101: division of labour makes everyone better off. Figure out what you are each good at, what you each love/hate doing, and then arrange accordingly. My wife loves cleaning (no, seriously), but she hates smelly stuff. So guess who gets dishes and garbage duty? Me. Because I don’t give a fuck. I’ll eat off the same plate seven times in a row. I couldn’t smell a dead rat even if it was sleeping under my pillow. I’ll toss garbage around all day. Here honey, let me get that for you.
COVER THE HATES OF THE OTHER, AND/OR PAY SOMEONE TO DO THE SHITE THAT YOU BOTH DISLIKE, OR BOTH TOLERATE THE IMPERFECTION OF UN-IRONED CLOTHES.
AND HELP THE OTHER OUT WITH LITTLE THINGS ON REQUEST, EVEN WITHOUT PLEASE'S AND THANK YOU'S, TRUSTING THE OTHER TO POLITELY AND ASSERTIVELY DECLINE, WITH AN INSTRUCTION TO FIX YOUR OWN TRIVIA ON THIS OCCASION, PLEASE !!
On top of that, many couples suggested laying out rules for the relationship. This sounds cheesy, but ultimately, it’s practical. To what degree will you share finances? How much debt will be taken on or paid off? How much can each person spend without consulting the other? What purchases should be done together or do you trust each other to do separately? How do you decide which vacations to go on?
YEAH ~ AGREED RULES CAN HELP ENORMOUSLY, BTU SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO RENEGOTIATION ON REQUEST. ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT ARE COMMUNICATION RULES AND RULES FOR INTERRUPT REQUEST, INTERRUPT ACCEPTANCE, AND INTERRUPT REJECTION FOR ONLY A FEW MORE SENTENCES, OR FOR EVEN LONGER IN A DECLARED 'EMERGENCY', AND WHAT TO DO IF BOTH DECLARE AN EMERGENCY AT THE SAME TIME ~ OMG ~ LOL !!
PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT IS WHO SHOULD BACK OFF WHEN YOU FIND YOURSELF TALKING OVER EACH OTHER, EACH COMPETING FOR THE NEXT CHUNK OF AIRTIME ~ I SUGGEST THE MAN SHOULD FLAG UP THAT TALKING OVER EACH OTHER ACHIEVES NOTHING, THEN BACKING DOWN TO LET THE WOMAN SPEAK, WHERE I OFTEN FIND THAT THEN SHE WILL HAVE NOTHING TO SAY, AND THEN ASK THE MAN TO GO NEXT ~ JESUS CHRIST, WHAT THE DUCK IS WRONG WITH WOMEN (AND MANGINAS) !?
Have meetings about this stuff. Sure, it’s not sexy or cool, but it needs to get done. You’re sharing a life together and so you need to plan and account for each person’s needs and resources.
YOU ARE A TEAM ~ SO IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE TEAM MEETINGS ~ BUT MAYBE NOT TOO OFTEN ~ BUT WHO IS TO BE CHAIRPERSON? ~ TAKE THIS IN TURNS?
One person even said that she and her husband have “annual reviews” every year. She immediately told me not to laugh, but that she was serious. They have annual reviews where they discuss everything that’s going on in the household that they like and don’t like and what they can do in the coming year to change it. This sort of stuff sounds lame but it’s what keeps couples in touch with what’s going on with each other. And because they always have their fingers on the pulse of each other’s needs, they’re more likely to grow together rather than grow apart.
WHATEVER FLOATS BOTH OF YOUR BOATS ~ BUT BE READY TO RENEGOTIATE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WAYS OF SURVIVING / THRIVING WHERE THIS COULD MAKE LIFE EVEN EASIER FOR YOU BOTH !!
13. LEARN TO RIDE THE WAVES
“I have been married for 44 years (4 children, 6 grandchildren). I think the most important thing that I have learned in those years is that the love you feel for each other is constantly changing. Sometimes you feel a deep love and satisfaction, other times you want nothing to do with your spouse; sometimes you laugh together, sometimes you’re screaming at each other. It’s like a roller-coaster ride, ups and downs all the time, but as you stay together long enough the downs become less severe and the ups are more loving and contented. So even if you feel like you could never love your partner any more, that can change, if you give it a chance. I think people give up too soon. You need to be the kind of person that you want your spouse to be. When you do that it makes a world of difference.” – Chris.
AFTER THE HONEYMOON PERIOD, SOME KIND OF ROLLERCOASTER MAY KICK IN. BE PATIENT WITH EACH OTHER & TRY TO CONTAIN YOUR IMPATIENCE FOR THE SAKE OF THE OTHER / AND HENCE FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR LONGER TERM EVER-INCREASING HAPPINESS.
IN THE UK, WOMEN TEND TO BE EMOTIONALLY INCONTINENT SPOILT BRATS WITH LITTLE CAPACITY FOR DELAYED GRATIFICATION (A CHARACTERISTIC OF MATURITY IN ANYONE) ~ DON'T WEAR THIS CAP IS IT DOESN'T FIT, PLEASE ~ AND DON'T SHOOT ME, THE MESSENGER !!
OKAY, THE ABOVE IS A GROSS EXAGERATION IN MOST CASES, BUT YOUR PARTNER WILL SUFFER UNNECESSARILY IF YOU FIND IT MUCH HARDER TO CONTAIN YOUR IMPATIENCE THAN HE FINDS IT TO CONTAIN HIS (OR HERS WHERE THIS IS THE OTHER WAY AROUND).
A MASSIVE PROBLEM IN ANY RELATIONSHIP IS TO BLAME ONE'S INABILITY TO UNDERSTAND THE OTHER ON THEIR DEFECTIVE LISTENING SKILLS AND/OR THEIR INABILITY TO RESPOND USEFULLY WITH ANYTHING OTHER THAN 'GASLIGHTING' (MIND-FUCKING) WITH OR WITHOUT 'WORD SALAD' (THE OUTPUT OF A CONFLICTED MIND) ~ THE READER MAY HAVE TO USE GOOGLE TO RESEARCH THESE TERMS.
WOMEN TEND TO BE MORE CONFLICTED THAN MEN IN THE UK PERHAPS BECAUSE OF UNFIT-FOR-PURPOSE SOCIALISATION OF GIRLS, ALTHOUGH TEACHING ALL BOYS TO BE DUCKING MACHO IS DUCKING STUPID TOO !!
ALSO, UK WOMEN TEND TO BUNDLE MANY ISSUES TOGETHER CAUSING MASSIVE CONFUSION FOR ALL. IN THIS CASE A GOOD MAN WILL INSIST ON TACKLING ONLY ONE ISSUE AT A TIME IN AN ORDER CHOSEEN BY HER ~ BUT WHEN HIS WOMAN FINDS THIS IMPOSSIBLE, I THINK HER 'EDUCATION' NEEDS TO BE ABANDONNED !!
Out of the hundreds of analogies I saw these past few weeks, one stuck with me. A nurse emailed saying that she used to work with a lot of geriatric patients. And one day she was talking to a man in his late-80s about marriage and why his had lasted so long. The man said something like, “relationships exist as waves, people need to learn how to ride them.” Upon asking him to explain, he said that, like the ocean, there are constant waves of emotion going on within a relationship, ups and downs — some waves last for hours, some last for months or even years. The key is understanding that few of those waves have anything to do with the quality of the relationship — people lose jobs, family members die, couples relocate, switch careers, make a lot of money, lose a lot of money. Your job as a committed partner is to simply ride the waves with the person you love, regardless of where they go. Because ultimately, none of these waves last. And you simply end up with each other.
YEAH, WHEN YOU'RE PARTNER IS MAKING WAVES WITHOUT END, DON'T FOR DUCK SAKE JOIN IN.
BE PLACID AND IMPLACABLE SHOWING CARE THROUGH LITTLE MORE THAN BODY LANGUAGE AND A FEW "I'M WITH YOU" NOISES ~ FOR AS LONG AS IT MAKE TAKE TO RIDE THIS PARTICULAR 'STORM' !!
“Two years ago, I suddenly began resenting my wife for any number of reasons. I felt as if we were floating along, doing a great job of co-existing and co-parenting, but not sustaining a real connection. It deteriorated to the point that I considered separating from her; however, whenever I gave the matter intense thought, I could not pinpoint a single issue that was a deal breaker. I knew her to be an amazing person, mother, and friend. I bit my tongue a lot and held out hope that the malaise would pass as suddenly as it had arrived. Fortunately, it did and I love her more than ever. So the final bit of wisdom is to afford your spouse the benefit of the doubt [I DO THIS A LOT / MY WOMEN SEEM TO HAVE IT IN FOR ME].
If you have been happy for such a long period, that is the case for good reason. Be patient and focus on the many aspects of her that still exist that caused you to fall in love in the first place.” – Kevin.
YES, YES, IGNORE ATTENTION-SEEKING 'DRAMA' / 'HYSTRIONICS' / 'NOISE' ~ WELL, DON'T IGNORE IT AS THIS WILL MAKE MATTERS WORSE, BUT **VALIDATE** WHAT IS GOING ON FOR HER (HIM), UNTIL SHE REGAINS ENOUGH COMPOSURE / FAITH IN YOU / TRUST IN YOU TO RELAX ENOUGH FOR NORMALCY TO CREEP BACK INTO YOUR NORMAL AFFAIRS !!
Let's end here with Margo:
“You can work through anything as long as you are not destroying yourself or each other [SUPPORTIN OPTIMISM EACH IN THER OTHER IS ESSENTIAL].
This means emotionally, physically, financially or spiritually. Make NOTHING off limits to discuss. NEVER shame or mock each other for the things you do that make you happy. Write down why you fell in love and read it every year on your anniversary (or more often) [SEE DAILY TEMPERATURE READING IN THE COMMENTS BELOW].
Write love letters to each other often. Make each other first. When kids arrive, it will be easy to fall into a frenzy of making them the only focus of your life…do not forget the love that produced them. You must keep that love alive and strong to feed them love. Spouse comes first [OFTEN THE HUSBAND MAY HAVE SPLIT LOYALTIES BECAUSE HIS LIFE'S WORK (WISHES, HOPES, DREAMS & AMBITIONS) IS/ARE SO IMPOATANT TO HIM, BUT A GOOD WIFE ACCEPTS THIS TO A GREAT DEGREE, AND SUPPORTS HIM WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITHOUT RESENTMENT ~ IF RESENTMENT BUILDS IN EITHER, THIS MUST BE ADDRESSED AS A MATTER OF URGENCY].
MAYBE THE WIFE CAN BE THE AMBITIOUS WORKAHOLIC ONE, BUT I DOUBT THIS EVER WORKS, EVEN WHEN THEY SAY IT DOES ~ BUT I'M OKAY TO BE WRONG ABOUT THIS !!
Each of you will continue to grow. Bring the other one with you. Be the one that welcomes that growth. Don’t think that the other one will hold the relationship together [YES, YES, THE ONE WHO DOESN'T PULL HIS/HER WEIGHT IS THE MONSTER HERE].
Both of you should assume it’s up to you so that you are both working on it. Be passionate about cleaning house, preparing meals and taking care of your home. This is required of everyone daily, make it fun and happy and do it together. Do not complain about your partner to anyone [EXCEPT IN CONFIDENCE TO SOMEONE YOU KNOW TO BE WISER THAN MOST].
Love them for who they are, FOR THEIR POTENTIAL, AND FOR WHOM THEY ARE BECOMING].
Make love even when you are not in the mood.
DEPENDS ~ MAYBE THE WOMEN SHOULD LEAD THE WAY TO LOVE-MAKING, GETTING THEM BOTH IN THE MOOD COZ, WHEN **HE** DOES THIS, SHE MAY END UP THINKING HE'S ONLY WITH HER FOR JUST ONE THING !!
Trust each other. Give each other the benefit of the doubt always. Be transparent. Have nothing to hide. Be proud of each other. Have a life outside of each other, but share it through conversation. Pamper and adore each other [SHE SHOULD SUPPORT HIS FRAGILE EGO & HE WILL LOVE PAMPERING HIS THEN VERY SPECIAL TO HIM WIFE].
Go to counselling now before you need it so that you are both open to working on the relationship together.
LAURA DOYLE'S FIRST BOOK IS CALLED "FIRST KILL ALL MARRIAGE COUNSELLORS", SO READ LAURA DOYLE, AND CONSULT WITH ME, MARTIN CAMDEN, FIRST !!
Disagree with respect to each other’s feelings. Be open to change and accepting of differences. Print this and refer to it daily.”
FORGET FEELINGS ~ PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE FORGET THESE DUCKING UNRELIABLE THINGS CALLED 'FEELINGS' !!
THINGS GO WRONG, ALWAYS, EACH TIME THERE'S AN IMPORTANT DISAGREEMENT, WHERE ONE PERSON'S CERTAINTY IS DUCKING UNREASONABLE TO INSANE.
THEN IN SORTING OUT ONE DISAGREEMENT, THEY ENCOUNTER YET ANOTHER UNREASONABLE CERTAINTY IN ONE OR THE OTHER, USUALLY IN THE SAME CLOWN, AND SO THE AD INFINITUM GOES ON TO KILL EACH OTHER POINT, OR THE CLOWN EXISTS STAGE LEFT (OR SLAMS THE PHONE DOWN), UNTIL THE NON-CLOWN HAS LOST THE WILL TO LIVE ~ SO GET PROFESSIONAL ADVICE (FROM LAURA, APRIL, MATTHEW OR ME) AS TO WHO IS MOST LIKELY TO BE THE GREATER CLOWN, AND THEN ACT AS WISELY AS YOU BOTH CAN ON THIS VERY USEFUL FEEDBACK !!
14. DAILY TEMPERATURE READING
DAILY FOR WHEN A RELATIONSHIP IS SHOWING SIGNS OF GOING WRONG.
NOW AND AGAIN, FOR ROUTINE RELATIONSHIP MAINTENANCE ....
5 PARTS:
1. SHARE APPRECIATIONS, ONE FOR THE OTHER, AND/OR FOR ANYTHING IN YOUR LIVES / JOINT LIFE !!
2. SHARE NEW INFORMATION: JUST KEEPING EACH OTHER UP-TO-DATE WITH TRIVIA / NON-TRIVIA / STUFF THAT THE OTHER MIGHT LIKE MTO KNOW OF / STUFF THAT THE OTHER REALLY HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW !!
3. SHARE PUZZLES: GENUINE PUZZLES ~ NO COMPLAINTS AT ALL AT THIS STAGE, E.G. WHY DO YOU KEEP ALL THAT PAPERWORK IN THE ATTICK? ~ PUZZLES **CAN** BE ANSWERED, BUT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO NEED FOR THIS !!
4. SHARE COMPLAINTS ~ **BEHAVIOURAL** WITH **BEHAVIOURAL** REQUEST FOR CHANGE ~ REQUESTS ONLY ~ NO DUCKING DEMANDS !! ~ NO DISCUSSION ABOUT THESE; JUST GENTLE ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS !!
5. WISHES, HOPES AND DREAMS ....
E.G. MY 'W/H/D' FOR ME & LISA =
A. FOR US TO FIND PEACE, LOVE AND HAPPINESS IN EACH OTHER, SOON AND FOR AS LONG AS WE MAY HAVELIVING TOGETHER.
B. FOR MY CANCER NOT TO KILL ME OFF TOO SOON, BEFORE WE'VE DEEPENED OUR LOVE FOR EACH OTHER MOST WONDERFULLY.
C. FOR ME TO DIE (OF CANCER) IN GOD'S PERFECT TIMING, LEAVING MY BEAUTIFUL LISA IN SUCH GOOD SHAPE, THAT SHE CARRIES ON WITHOUT ME SURVIVING WELL AND THRIVING IN HER EVER-LASTING LOVE FOR ME ~ HER DEAREST DEPARTED !!
D. FOR SOME DECENT MONEY TO COME OUR WAY SO THAT WE CAN ENJOY WHAT WE MIGHT CALL OUR EARLY (AND LONG) RETIREMENT ~ E.G. FROM INHERITANCE AND/OR FROM MY HAPPY COUPLES COACHING BUSINESS TAKING OFF !!
E.G. MY 'W/H/D' FOR ME & VIDA =
AA. THAT MY BELOVED'S SPELL OF MISERY COMES TO A TIMELY END.
BB. THAT VIDA GETS BACK ON HER FEET, AND THAT BETWEEN US WE MANIFEST THE BEST FOR HER ADULT SON, EZRA-JAMES, FOR HIS WIFE, THEIR CHILD, HER DAUGHTER (WHO'S NOW MENTALLY UNWELL IN THE PHILPIPPINES = OMG), AND FOR HER HANDICAPPED AUTISTIC SON, VINCENT (AGED 14).
CC. THAT VIDA LANDS A GREAT JOB IN THE PHILiPPINES, THEN GETS TRANSFERRED TO THE UK, WHERE BETWEEN US WE CAN SEND MONEY 'BACK HOME' FOR HER 'KIDS' !!
DD. THAT THINGS WORK OUT GREAT FOR LISA, VIDA AND ME, IN THE UK, OR ELSEWHERE, WHETHER WE EACH GO OUR OWN SEPARTATE WAYS, OR STAY INTERCONNECTED IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER !!