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Dear Composites Lounge Community, with only a few days left before HANNOVER MESSE opens it doors and some of you and us will meet on 23 April 2024 during the 5th Lightweighting Summit, we want to express our clear expectations that the Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Climate Action shall be returning back to support Lightweight technologies. This newsletter covers mainly the disappointing cancellation of the 140 Million Euro funds that were allocated last year on innovative lightweight projects.
Other topics include:
The consequences of the sudden cancellation of the technology transfer lightweight program (TTP LB) by the German Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Climate Action (BMWK)
In the past, there was a well-supported technology transfer lightweight program by the German Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Climate Action (BMWK) aimed at promoting innovation and lightweight construction. However, the program's sudden discontinuation has led to concerns about job security, innovation, and Germany's reputation as a reliable partner. Additionally, there is an emphasis on the need to improve communication strategies to convey the significance of lightweight construction to policymakers.
In the video above Ilkay Özkisaoglu discusses the disappointment and challenges faced by the Composites and Lightweight Industry in Germany with Elmar Witten of AVK and Dr. Gunnar Merz of Composites United .
There is a commitment to continue advocating for the reinstatement of funding and to improve communication strategies to convey the significance of lightweight construction to policymakers.
Read now the english AI Translation (Google) of the AI (Amberscript) transcription to keep updated on the German market here. The full German transcription is at the end of this newsletter.
Ilkay Özkisaoglu – Co-Founder Composites Lounge:
Dear Community, have a wonderful day here from Paris! JEC World 2024, you noticed. We are all here. Of course also the managing director of AVK. Unfortunately, unfortunately, unfortunately, we have been presented with a bit of a challenge recently, namely there is a well-thought-out, well-intentioned technology transfer lightweight construction program from the Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Climate Action (BMWK). We reported on it, and I also interviewed Parliamentary State Secretary Michael Kellner (BMWK) last year.
Wonderful and everything was fine there. We were pleased that the fund, if you can call it a fund, I don't even know, or the pot was increased and at the beginning of this year, big surprise, these 140 million simply disappeared into thin air. And I would just like to take advantage of the situation with Elmar Witten, who is also an economist himself, as a qualified economist, to simply shed light on such a topic from an economic perspective. Of course we want to influence the whole thing and get back to these times, and perhaps Elmar Witten also has suggestions on how to deal with such a situation. Elmar, was that a big surprise or was it announced?
Elmar Witten - Managing Director AVK:
That was a big surprise. There are of course several funding sources with which innovation has been and is being promoted industrially and also in our industrial segment, the composite industry. We are and were particularly proud as an industry and not just as a composite industry, but as a lightweight construction industry, that we managed to launch a program like the technology transfer program, the TTP LB, which really emerged from the idea not to emphasize certain materials. So, it's not just about promoting composite materials, which admittedly is my topic as a composite lobby. But it's about advancing the topic of lightweight construction, and colleagues from other materials organizations have also been involved in this, from the aluminum, steel industry, the wood industry and so on, and we are pleased that we have supported a program that which promotes lightweight construction and thus also the desired transformation and also the ambitious energy and climate protection goals. And it was all the more difficult for us to understand that this program was suddenly canceled for political reasons. So the ongoing activities that were approved are of course still coming to an end, but in a very practical way. I was also approached here at JEC World 2024 by universities who are of course hoping for additional demand, and jobs are now threatened and we are losing a piece, or this will be a competitive disadvantage for us if industries supported in other regions of the world will no longer be supported in Germany, and that is why we are committed to it and will see whether we manage to generate funds to be able to offer continued activities. But that looks bad at the moment.
Ilkay Özkisaoglu - Co-Founder Composites Lounge:
Well, one thing is from an economic perspective, because we want to stay with the macro economy for now: Jobs are at risk. What about innovation? How would you see medium-sized businesses' willingness to innovate if funding were no longer available?
Elmar Witten - Managing Director AVK:
Well, our industry is originally innovative. We're always fighting to gain advantages by bringing something onto the market that doesn't already exist, I'll say. But the means are of course limited to be able to really drive forward innovations, especially in small and medium-sized companies, and it helps us if there is political support that there are funds, especially with active support from institutes and universities, which often run such projects initiate, lead, and that will cause innovation activity to suffer if a program of this magnitude no longer exists.
Ilkay Özkisaoglu - Co-Founder Composites Lounge:
And then I come to the third point. From an economic perspective, the issue of reputation should not be underestimated. Now that's how it was. A summit was held in Sweden, summits were held in Brussels, Austria joined these various initiatives, and that really gained momentum, and now Germany is withdrawing from it. What consequences does this have for German reputation and German industry, considering I saw a few projects here at the trade fair. There is no longer this one German, Austrian or Swiss project, but someone, for example Langzauner, Alexander Wiesner, shout out to you! At this point a press supplies a project and an English company supplies the RTM. So, there is no longer just this national border, but it is very intertwined. What do you think about that? From a reputational perspective, will Germany still be a reliable partner if this can be solved with just one stroke?
Elmar Witten - Managing Director AVK:
Well, I don't see that this cut in funding will make international connections more difficult. But of course we need continuity, also in what we do to promote innovation, and if there are discontinuities, then that will definitely harm us.
Ilkay Özkisaoglu - Co-Founder Composites Lounge:
That's it from my side. Thank you very much for this open word, also from the mouth of a really qualified economist, and as you have already said, you have been at the top of the AVK for many, many years, and you know the industry, and I am there Basis, with experts, with the trade fair operators, with the investors here, and of course it's a topic like this every now and then, and that's why I'm pleased that we were able to talk about it. Maybe we'll talk about it in a group on a larger scale. Now I wish you a nice rest of your journey. The JEC World, thank you very much and see you soon.
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(Podcast episode #120 to follow soon)
(At this point scene location changes from the JEC World 2024 VIP Lounge to the Composites United Pavillion)
Ilkay Özkisaoglu - Co-Founder Composites Lounge:
We are at the stand here at JEC World 2024 from Composites United (CU), and to my left is Dr Gunnar Merz, Managing Director of CU, Dr Bastian Brenken, Managing Director of CU Nord, and I want to talk to you about the CU ecosystem, what the members get out of it, and I'll talk through the new topic of TTP LB, the annoying topic, very briefly with Gunnar. Gunnar, you are now here at the JEC in a very special function. Of course you also have a very strong connection to Berlin in terms of communication and dialogue. Now the community, the Composites Community, has received a message. At very short notice, a press release from AVK flew into my mailbox and I thought I wasn't reading correctly, we were at the Composites Lounge Conference last year , the fourth on March 7th, 2023, which we streamed from, the parliamentary state secretary, the gentleman I know, from the German Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Climate Protection, joined in and said that we would be making a lightweight construction strategy in the summer. It was passed and also announced the good news that the pot had been increased, namely to a whopping 140 million euros. Now in January 2024, in the short term they have vanished into thin air. Was that so surprising? How do you feel?
Dr Gunnar Merz - CEO Composites United:
Yes, I mean, we as Composites United are represented on the advisory board of the BMWK lightweight construction initiative. We helped develop this strategy with other partners, then transferred it into a federal government strategy, and to be honest, we were of course very disappointed by this news. So that hit us very hard. We didn't expect that, because we said that lightweight construction is of course also a key technology for Germany and will secure jobs in the future, that it is also essential for climate protection, because it is no longer possible without lightweight construction, wind energy or hydrogen technology operate. And it has to be said that we were even more shocked that this program was suspended by the federal government, because we also did a lot of advertising with it within Europe. We have strongly supported the European Lightweighting Network (ELN), also initiated by the Federal Ministry of Economics. We were able to get a lot of European countries to take part and develop a European strategy. The EU Commission recently published a paper in which advanced materials, including lightweight construction materials, are of crucial importance for the future of Europe. And we were all the more surprised about this German approach. We were the initiator, and in Germany they pulled the plug. So very big disappointment. But we just agreed with the Ministry of Economic Affairs that we would not give up so quickly. So, we see ourselves a bit like the boxer who is injured in the ring, and these boxers are particularly dangerous. So we will continue to fight and will see that these funds can be made available again somewhere at the next opportunity. But perhaps we also have to take a bit of a hard look at ourselves for not being able to clearly explain the importance of lightweight construction to politicians. I think the message didn't quite get through to politicians. That's why we may have to be a little critical ourselves and say, we may also need to change something in our communication strategy so that the meaning simply becomes clearer, and that will be the goal. We will work hard on this in the future and we won't give up so easily.
Ilkay Özkisaoglu - Co-Founder Composites Lounge:
And then I'll jump in as a communications expert, dear Gunnar: how do we want to communicate this? What would that be from your perspective? Do we want to approach it from the perspective of the challenge if these 140 million euros are not available? What consequences does this have for innovation and sustainability? If this is not available, what can you imagine that it might be made clear to politicians and decision-makers what the consequences are?
Dr Gunnar Merz - CEO Composites United:
Yes, it's very clear, lightweight construction is of course established in aviation. It's hard to imagine life without it. That's very clear, everyone knows that, and everyone uses it. But there are also emerging industries, i.e. industries that would actually tolerate this material very well, such as shipbuilding or construction. These industries that have not previously worked with the materials and of course have a certain challenge in establishing new materials, and these challenges are so high that I hope, I fear, I have to say, that many industries do not use these materials. So you can only hope that the international pressure that we have, because we see in all other countries, in USA, we see this. We see this in Asia, that's where this technology is being pushed forward, and it's being pushed forward so strongly, that we also have to fear for a competitive advantage.
Continued Gunnar Merz: ...That's why I very much hope that at some point it will be possible to promote this area again in order to create future-proof jobs in Germany. We can only achieve this if certain industries such as construction or shipbuilding rely on these materials, use them and use them to gain a competitive advantage. This potential is actually crystal clear to us as experts. But of course we have to do some convincing, and as I said, these hurdles that you have at the beginning have to be overcome, and the challenge can only be minimized through funding programs. Only then will companies be willing to take this risk, and I think that in Germany we need a bit of a mentality that people really have the courage to change. You also need courage when the financial risk is somewhat buffered by politics and, above all, when the framework conditions are such that we do not suffer any disadvantages due to any regulations that come up.
Ilkay Özkisaoglu - Co-Founder Composites Lounge:
Well, you couldn't express a message more clearly, dear Gunnar. Thank you very much, and I think, dear community, you have definitely understood what is at stake here. I wish you a nice rest of your day, good conversations, and we'll see you again soon! Thank you!
***End of Interview
Meanwhile listen to what CU and AVK had to say in our JEC World 2024 Warm-Up Livestreams:
How to recycle thousand of tons of composites in future
We will be diving into the world of composites and recycling with expert Giorgio Betteto of Gees Recycling from Italy. Watch the full interview now for insights and innovations in sustainable technology. In this video listen to what Giorgio says about JEC World 2024 and what the world would look like without composites these days!
There are two highlights:
The Refresh project is a European funded large scale recycling of wind blades project. Gees Recycling is a partner in this project alongside The European Composites Industry Association; EuCIA and several other partners.
The project's purpose is about the transformation of the scrap. The used wind blades are transformed into different kind of products, using Gees' proprietary mechanical recycling technology and other technologies like resin and fiber recovery.
According Giorgio Betteto it is a broad project that will lead to recover 5,000 metric tons a year of wind blades only in their own plant plus many other with different technologies. The aim of the European Commission funded project is to transform a problem into a realworld solution and to demonstrate of what is possible to obtain from such a large composite waste like wind blades. The results may be applied to many other large dimension composite waste, like that from yachting, from tanks and from boats and soforth.
We Composites Lounge agree that it's really a good opportunity for all partners, for EUCIA and mostly for the composite world.
Read also our post on the table of contents of the latest study of AVK and IKK on composites recycling in Europe here:
The H3 of H2: High Pressure, High Safety, High Speed Winding of an H2 Tank
Join our LinkedIn Business Vlog with Dr. Viktor Reimer, Head of Pressure Vessel at ACTC
In this video you will learn from ACTC how to make 700 bar pressure vessel tanks for hydrogen applications. Since hydrogen is risky they have designed a safety factor of 2.35
Imagine your car tire has some 2 bars "only". Compare it with 700x2.35!
We also clarify how HRC has shared the tasks between its European sites (Engenuity Ltd, ACTC and the newest member Compositex S.r.l.) and China.
We recommend to also watch the short announcement of Jordi Aranega
on the recent acquisition of Compositex S.r.l. an Italian Carbon Composites producer.
This short episode is available already on Spotify, too:
Finally, listen to our latest edition of our Composites Lounge Podcast: ACTC interview at JEC World 2024: The H3 of H2: High Pressure, High Safety, High Speed Winding of an H2 Tank with Dr. Viktor Reimer
On a private note regarding the Composites Lounge Podcast
You may notice two different Spotify buttons in this newsletter. Since the beginning of this year we are using the anchor video in Youtube and link them to the Spotify episode on our edited videos (not yet on the livestream). This way you can both listen only, but also can watch some interesting parts, where we are demonstrating solutions on Spotify.
This is episode #119. Go back and listen to all others and consider subscribing our podcast, because many more to come this year! Any feedback?
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Country on Stage and other performances of JEC World 2024 now on JEC TV
Did you miss out on the captivating insights from the "Country on Stage " at JEC World? Or were you in the audience and want to have a deeper look at what was said?
We have news for you: the replay of these three insightful conferences is now available on the JEC Web TV!
For example "Belgian Composites for a Sustainable Future": Explore Belgium's innovative strides towards sustainability in the composites sector. "How Italy is Making the Composites Market of Tomorrow: Innovations and Dynamism":
Discover Italy's dynamic approach to driving innovation and shaping the future of composites.
"Competitiveness and Innovation in the French Composites Industry Through the 'France 2030' Relaunch Plan": Uncover the ambitious plans outlined in France's "France 2030" relaunch plan and its impact on the composites landscape.
Are you attending JEC Forum DACH in Stuttgart (Oct, 2024 in Germany) or JEC Forum Italy at Lake Como (2025) or any of these following events in 2024?
HANNOVER MESSE 2024 (Germany)
Techtextil 2024, Frankfurt / Main (Germany🇩🇪)
ACHEMA 2024, Frankfurt / Main (Germany🇩🇪)
ILA Berlin - Pioneering Aerospace 2024 (Germany🇩🇪)
M2N Media GmbH M2N Converting Gipfel 2024, Hamburg (Germany🇩🇪)
International Composites Summit 2024 Milton Keynes (United Kingdom🇬🇧)
InnoTrans 2024, Berlin (Germany🇩🇪)
MEET4COMPOSITE | International Composite Show 2024 Istanbul (Türkiye 🇹🇷 )
KOMPOZYT-EXPO® 2024 Krakow Poland 🇵🇱 )
Semicon Europa 2024 Munich (Germany 🇩🇪)
Then reach out to me via LinkedIn or contact me through email (info@imbeo.de), if you have news on innovative lightweight technologies that drive sustainability. Composites Lounge would feature your news during #Composits360ontour , since we will be on all these events there personally, too.
Also Composites Lounge organizes now panel discussions at enduser events in collaboration with JEC Group and invite you to take your seat in one of the panels.
We are building our new presence in the web: www.compositeslounge.com and you will learn more about it soon.
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Transcripiton Gees Recycling (6.3.2024)
Ilkay Özkisaoglu - Co-Founder Composites Lounge:
Good afternoon, dear LinkedIn community and Composites Lounge members. We are at day two and continue strong covering this show together.
With me now is an expert in the recycling field and as you know, one of my passions recycling sustainability.
Of course, we want to always get the recycle and sustainability feature with innovation and technology and that's why Giorgio Betteto of Gees Recycling is with me. Giorgio is from Italy.
We had Italy yesterday with Adalberto Horak and we will continue with Italy also later. Thanks for being part of my show#Composites360OnTour
Giorgio Betteto, Head of BizDev Gees Recycling:
Very thankful for the big good thing. I'm proud to be here in the Composites Lounge and I think that is something really interesting.
Any opportunities in talking about composites and recycling is positive.
Ilkay Özkisaoglu:
So Giorgio, now you are at the JEC World 2024. What is your impression on this JEC show so far from what you have seen, because you just arrived?
Giorgio Betteto:
The impression is very good, is full of people. Let we see then what interesting thing about the JEC normally delivers. I used to say that for composite people, going to JEC is like going to Mekka for the Muslims. So it's something that one needs to do.
I see that a lot of interest and also several proposals for the recycling and those is always good, because we need any kind of technology for making this sector sustainable.
Ilkay Özkisaoglu:
So now we are middle in the topic.
I had Giorgio already in the warm up lives, but now I took the opportunity and asked Giorgio to bring samples along and we would like to run through three samples with you so you can see what can be done with recycled materials.
And the great stuff is it is such a robust and very practical to use materials. It's very difficult for you guys to assess this, but I had it already in my hands. So I can tell you please contact Giorgio and I don't know, can you send samples also to your customers?
Giorgio Betteto:
Sure. And ask for samples and get them. Get the feel of the samples.
Ilkay Özkisaoglu:
It's really wonderful material and we will start with sample number one.
Giorgio Betteto:
Life Green Composite project is a research project funded by the European Union where Plados Telma, it's a kitchen sink, composite kitchen sink maker. And this recycling we have developed together a way to recycle the high density composites and solid surfaces. We have obtained the product and material that has very good performance, is lighter in respect to the solid surface is recycled content. It's a recycled content is only the 90%. Let me say 96%.
It's done with our proprietary patented technology or mechanical recycling. The performance are on the par with other materials like ceramics or solid surface or natural stone with a big advantage on the environment, on the cost, on the lightness of material. This material is 1.1 kg/m³ density. Much lighter in respect to stone. Half in respect to Ceramics. The application may be everything is needed that you have a solid material that could be possible to mill to obtain surfaces, forms and so on.
Absolutely resistant to water and liquid. Very strong flame retardant. And we are seeing already interesting application for flooring, for kitchen tops. And in particular, we think that we may have a very big role in naval industry, since it's possible to go in substitution of virgin material with recycled ones obtaining a good performance and lower costs.
Ilkay Özkisaoglu:
I have now the second piece in my hand. And this second piece is also very compact, very strong. But when we go into kitchens, in architecture, there may be, you know, "the eye is buying also the product" as we say in Germany. When we have a product like this that goes into architecture and decor and things like that.
Are there any other colors available?
I am asking, because these composites have always the same color range. So how do you satisfy color needs for example?
Giorgio Betteto:
I know very well this aspect and this for this, we have developed an additional technology where we put on the top of the recycle material, we put a coating a surface of recycled PMMA and recycled quartz that is possible to have in any kind of color as a traditional solid surface.
We have a good, very good performance. And it's partly recycled. and it's possible to have the surface of which we choose in this case we have a salt and pepper very fine aspect, but could be totally white, could be on a color on a RAL palette.
The performance are those of the recycled the PMMA and the same of the virgin material. Still, we have a recycled material with a flexible application, good performance and interesting costs.
Ilkay Özkisaoglu:
Another great and requested feature is, of course, water resistance. Now, there are, of course, sometimes water repellent features, water resistant.
And there are so many things. And I'm glad that Giorgio can hopefully explain it to us, because what we have here, this is the number three is a fisherman's Netz.
And what's it about? Giorgio, can you explain it to us?
Giorgio Betteto:
One of the really interesting things of the composites are the their intrinsic resistance to the water. Here we have a project, a product obtained from the works of two different projects, the Project Life Green Composite and Project Maelstrom from where we have coated a recycled composite panel.
We have coated with a mix of fishermen nets and marine litter. You see in the green, the green color with the recycled PMMA. This was done to be able to obtain the panels for a wall coverings or ventilated facades that have a very peculiar particular appearance, where each panel will be different, slightly one from the other, and it will be was conceived to show what is inside the sea and what we need to take away and and the reuse.
In this case, we have already recovered and recycled only the kind of fisherman nets, that can't be recycled with other technology, because are made with mixed polymer, polyamide, polypropylene, polyester and so on. And for our process, it's something that is feasible. And the results I can say that are quite interesting.
Ilkay Özkisaoglu:
So dear community, as you see, we have now switched places. And that's the beautiful thing about the JEC World here. So many corners, so many nice booths here. As you know, I have interviewed already Roberto Frassine, a Professor. Shout out to you. At this moment I know that you are moving between Assocompositi and this booth and this booth, and you have a lot of stage presence.
So now we are with EUCIA, the European Composites Industry Association that is headed by Professor Roberto Frassine, he is the chairman.
And we got a managing director, Rafael Pleynet, but he's also on the road right now.
So shout out to Rafael that and thank you that we are using your booth for this, because there is a link now between Gees recycling, the products that we showed you before and the European Commission, because the European Commission decided to support and fund a project. And I would like to ask Giorgio to tell us about the project`s aims and the purpose and what is it for.
And now, listen, it's for the wind blades. One of the biggest challenges of our society.
Giorgio Betteto:
Refresh project is a European funded large scale recycling of wind blades project. We are partner in this project also with the EUCIA and several other partners and the project will transform the scrap.
The used wind blades to transform them in different kind of products, using our mechanical recycling technology and other technologies like resin,
resin and fiber recovery to finalize this and so on. It's a broad project that will lead to recover 5000 tons a year of wind blades only in our plant and plus many other with different technologies and the aims to transform a problem in solution and to make also a demonstration on industrial scale of what is possible to obtain from such a large composite waste like wind blades.
The same thing, the results may be applied to many other large dimension composite waste, like coming from yachting, from tanks and from boats and so on. So I think that it's really a good opportunity for all the partners, for EUCIA and mostly for the composite world.
Ilkay Özkisaoglu:
So thank you, Giorgio, for all this information.
Very, very important. Recycling, ladies and gentlemen, is so much important.
As Alan Banks this morning said from Composites UK, one of their focus is sustainability, sustainability, sustainability. And this is the same here. We are all working as an industry on sustainable solutions. And Giorgio, I think you have such a great solution there. I wish you all the success and thank you once again for filling us in with this and community,
Please contact Giorgio, because I touched it. I'm really fascinated by this.
Giorgio Betteto:
Many thanks. It was a really a good thing. Let me say that composites are already a very sustainable solution, because composites last longer.
Save weight, have a better performance. I said before, if we take away the composite from our life, we go back directly to 1950s. The sustainability part is an important part and is something that could be done working, not talking.
Thank you all
*** End of Transcription Gees Recycling***
Transcripiton ACTC on Hydrogen Tank Vessels (5.03.2024)
00:00:00 – 00:00:55 Ilkay Özkisaoglu, Composites Lounge
So LinkedIn community and composites experts out there. This is now further coverage of the JEC World 2024. And I am here together with ACTC, a group member of HRC from China. Maybe you remember last year I've shown you guys with Erich Fries, the managing director of Germany, the XPeng Drone here. Today we have other stuff to show you. And with me now is Viktor Reimer. Maybe you've seen Viktor in our last LinkedIn live, where we were talking about hydrogen, and today is also about hydrogen. So, Viktor, my first question to you is, what's your role at ACTC?
00:00:55 - 00:01:41 Dr Viktor Reimer, Head of Hydrogen Pressure Vessel
My role is to lead a team of engineers to develop a hydrogen pressure vessel that you can see here. The hydrogen pressure vessel, which we use to store hydrogen. The pressure tank we develop reaches more than 700 bars of working pressure and is designed with a high safety factor of around 2.35. My task is to set up a team in China, in Changshu, where ACTC is based to develop the tank. So there, we have all the machinery there already installed. And I did this when I arrived in China in 2020, where I started with one person, that's me. And now we are more than eight people working on the project for pressurized storage; for the pressure vessel to store hydrogen.
00:01:41 - 00:01:57 Ilkay Özkisaoglu, Composites Lounge
So, Viktor, thank you for introducing yourself and your role at ACTC. Now let's move to the HRC group. Tell us about the HRC group in general and ACTC and Engenuity, which I've met already in Burgess Hill (UK) last year.
00:01:57 - 00:02:51 Dr Viktor Reimer, Head of Hydrogen Pressure Vessel
Well, HRC is an international parts provider, which includes different kind of technologies to make composite parts. And it mainly consists of three areas: Engenuity is the development of the composite analytical development like FEA, CAE and so on. It also includes ACTC, my part, where we make protoypes. So we produce there prototypes for automotive industry. Especially the pressure vessels, which is my personal topic. And the third one is HRC mass manufacturing. The area where we produce parts for the composite industry. Mainly transportation, but also like aviation and cars. Usually it's really strong cars. And of course also some others like transportation for trains and other topics, wind power and construction.
00:02:51 - 00:02:56 Ilkay Özkisaoglu, Composites Lounge
Viktor, now tell us please, about the hydrogen tank. How is that developed within the HRC group?
00:02:56 - 00:03:23 Dr Viktor Reimer, Head of Hydrogen Pressure Vessel
HRC group we develop the pressure vessel with all three entities of HRC. HRC mass Manufacturing, ACTC as part of HRC and Engenuity, of course. At Engenuity we make all the analytical tasks like finite element analysis and at ACTC we prototype. As you see in the background, this is one of the first prototypes we made at ACTC in Changshu, China. And HRC mass manufacturing support us on topics for later industrialization of the product.
00:03:23 - 00:03:27 Ilkay Özkisaoglu, Composites Lounge
So, Viktor, what is your market focus on hydrogen storage tanks?
00:03:27 - 00:04:06 Dr Viktor Reimer, Head of Hydrogen Pressure Vessel
Our market focus is mainly for strong vehicles, heavy duty vehicles. Like for transportation, for truck and trains and hydrogen transportation in special containers. For those we need quite big tanks with more than 150 or 250l. In the background you see a smaller pressure vessel, which is designed for demonstration. We can bring it here easily, but actually we focus on much higher volumes for more than 250l. We also focus on 350 bar and 700 bars. This gives us very good capacity of the pressure vessel to store the hydrogen in a mobile application.
00:04:24 - 00:04:30 Ilkay Özkisaoglu, Composites Lounge
So, Viktor, thanks for the explanations. Now, what do we have here on the booth? Can you explain us about the hydrogen
***End of Transcription ACTC
Transcripiton HRC on the Acquisition of Compositex (5.3.2024)
Ilkay Özkisaoglu - Composites Lounge Co-Founder
Dear LinkedIn Community, now we are covering JEC World 2024, and I'm at the HRC booth and together with Jordi Aranega, who is the Vice President of HRC, and he has some very, very nice information, announcement to make. And I'm very happy that during the #Composites360OnTour we are getting also the latest of the latest here from the show floor. Jordi, thanks for being part of my show.
Jordi Aranega, HRC Board Member:
Thank you to you, to have us. Jordi, what is the announcement? Well, we just announced and signed, we integrate a company called Compositex, an Italian company, in our family. So now we integrate the last piece we need for our being a global source of carbon fiber. And we are very, very interested and very happy about the announcement.
Ilkay Özkisaoglu:
So, run us through the HRC group, of course, it's a Chinese company and you are based in Barcelona (Spain) overseeing the European market. Where else are you located?
Jordi Aranega:
In Europe, we have also a big presence, because we have an engineering company in UK. Also, we have a commercial office in Germany. And in Italy, we have a commercial office in Milano, and now the Compositex in Vicenza, near Venice. And for sure, we are located in Barcelona, where all the HRC things starts. Through this localization, the main benefit, of course, is that you are already close to the customers.
Ilkay Özkisaoglu:
Do you see any other benefit of having this decentralization?
Jordi Aranega:
Well, I think it's the most important to be aware of our customers that we are a global partner. We want to to bring everything the best of every location we have. And the idea is to work close with the customer and be a tailor made solution for them. So with that step, we increase our presence in Europe. And the promise of being, totally a global partner.
Ilkay Özkisaoglu:
Any plans for the future, if I may ask you?
Jordi Aranega:
We want to still work very close to our potential customers. We want to grow with them. So who knows?
Ilkay Özkisaoglu:
All the best for the future. And I'm really applauding you for the growth that you are doing here in Europe. Thank you so much. Have a great show.
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Transcription in German language of AVK (6.3.2024) & CU (7.3.2024) Interview on the cancellation of the TTP LB
Ilkay Özkisaoglu - Co-Founder Composites Lounge:
Liebe Community, einen wunderschönen Tag hier aus Paris! JEC World 2024, ihr habt es mitbekommen. Wir sind alle hier. Natürlich auch der Geschäftsführer von der AVK. Leider, leider, leider, haben wir in letzter Zeit ein wenig eine Herausforderung gestellt bekommen, und zwar gibt es ein gut angedachtes, gutgemeintes Technologietransfer Leichtbauprogramm, des Bundesministeriums für Wirtschaft und Klimaschutz (BMWK). Wir haben darüber berichtet, und ich habe auch den parlamentarischen Staatssekretär Michael Kellner (BMWK) auch schon im Interview gehabt letztes Jahr. Wunderbar und da war alles fein. Wir haben uns gefreut, dass der Fond, wenn man Fonds dazu sagen kann, ich weiß es gar nicht, oder der Topf erhöht worden ist und Anfang diesen Jahres, große Überraschung, sind diese 140 Millionen einfach in Luft aufgegangen. Und ich möchte einfach mal die Situation nutzen, mit Elmar Witten, er ist selber auch Volkswirt, als qualifizierter Volkswirt, einfach mal aus volkswirtschaftlicher Sicht so ein Thema mal zu beleuchten. Natürlich wollen wir das ganze beeinflussen und wieder zurückkommen in diese Zeiten, und vielleicht hat auch Elmar Witten Vorschläge, wie man mit so einer Situation umgehen kann. Elmar, war das eine große Überraschung, oder hat sich das angekündigt? #00:01:17-9#
Elmar Witten - GF AVK: Das war eine große Überraschung. Es gibt ja natürlich mehrere Fördertöpfe, mit denen Innovation industriell und auch in unserem Industrie Segment, in der Composite industrie, gefördert worden sind und auch gefördert werden. Wir sind und waren aber auch besonders stolz als Industrie und nicht nur als Composite Industrie, sondern als Leichtbau Industrie, dass wir es geschafft haben, ein Programm auf den Weg zu bringen wie das Technologietransferprogramm, das TTP LB, das wirklich entstanden ist aus der Idee, nicht bestimmte Materialien in den Vordergrund zu stellen. Also, es geht da nicht nur um das Promoten von Composite Materialien, was zugegebenermaßen als Composite Lobby ist mein Thema ist. Aber es geht darum, das Thema Leichtbau voranzubringen, und da haben auch die Kollegen anderer Material Organisation dran mitgewirkt, aus der Alu-, Stahlindustrie, aus der Holzindustrie und so weiter, und wir freuen uns, dass wir da unterstützt haben, ein Programm, was den Leichtbau fördert und damit auch die gewollte Transformation und auch die hochgesteckten Energie und Klimaschutzziele. Und umso schwieriger zu verstehen war für uns, dass dieses Programm dann aus politischen Gründen sehr plötzlich gestrichen worden ist. Also die laufenden Aktivitäten, die bewilligt waren, laufen natürlich noch zu Ende, aber mal ganz praktisch. Ich bin hier auf der JEC World 2024 auch angesprochen worden von Hochschulen, die natürlich auf Nachforderung hoffen, und da sind Arbeitsplätze bedroht jetzt und uns fällt ein Stück, oder das wird zum Wettbewerbsnachteil für uns, wenn Industriezweige, die in anderen Regionen der Welt unterstützt werden, in Deutschland nicht mehr unterstützt werden, und deswegen machen wir uns stark dafür und gucken, ob wir es schaffen, Mittel zu generieren, um Fortsetzungs Aktivitäten anbieten zu können. Aber das sieht im Moment schlecht aus. #00:03:34-2#
Ilkay Özkisaoglu - Co-Founder Composites Lounge: Also, das eine ist volkswirtschaftlich gesehen, weil wir bei der Volkswirtschaft bleiben wollen. Arbeitsplätze stehen auf der Kippe. Wie sieht es mit der Innovation aus? Wie würdest du da die Innovationsfreudigkeit des Mittelstandes sehen, wenn dann Fördertöpfe wegfallen? #00:03:47-5#
Elmar Witten - GF AVK: Na ja, also unsere Industrie ist originär innovativ. Wir kämpfen immer darum, Vorteile zu erlangen dadurch, dass wir was auf den Markt bringen, was es noch nicht gibt, sag ich mal. Aber die Mittel sind natürlich begrenzt, gerade in kleinen, mittleren Unternehmen auch wirklich Innovationen vorantreiben zu können, und da hilft es uns, wenn politisch unterstützt wird, dass es Mittel gibt, gerade mit aktiver Unterstützung durch Institute, Hochschulen, die ja solche Projekte oft initiieren, leiten, und das wird Innovationstätigkeit wird darunter leiden, wenn es ein Programm in dem Umfang nicht mehr gibt. #00:04:31-0#
Ilkay Özkisaoglu - Co-Founder Composites Lounge: Und dann komme ich zum dritten Punkt. Volkswirtschaftlich gesehen darf man ja das Thema Reputation nicht unterschätzen. Jetzt war das ja so. Es wurde in Schweden ein Gipfel abgehalten, in Brüssel wurden Gipfel abgehalten, Österreich hat sich mit angeschlossen an diese diversen ja Initiativen, und das hat ja richtig Fahrt aufgenommen, und jetzt zieht sich Deutschland da zurück. Was hat das für Folgen für das deutsche Ansehen und die deutsche Industrie, wenn man bedenkt, ich habe auf der Messe hier einige Projekte gesehen. Es gibt ja nicht mehr dieses eine deutsche, österreichische oder schweizer Projekt, sondern da liefert einer zum Beispiel Langzauner, Alexander Wiesner schönen Gruß an der Stelle an dich! An dieser Stelle liefert in ein Projekt eine Presse, und ein englisches Unternehmen liefert das RTM. Also, es gibt ja nicht mehr nur diese Landesgrenze, sondern das ist ja sehr verflochten. Wie siehst du das? Aus Sicht der Reputation ist dann Deutschland noch ein verlässlicher Partner, wenn das mit einem Strich einfach gelöst wird? #00:05:32-6#
Elmar Witten - GF AVK: Gut, also ganz so dramatisch sehe ich nicht, dass dieser Schnitt der Förderung jetzt die internationalen Verflechtungen erschweren wird. Aber es ist, natürlich brauchen wir Kontinuität, auch in dem, was wir in Richtung Innovationsförderung machen, und wenn da Diskontinuitäten sind, dann schadet uns das auf jeden Fall. #00:05:56-2#
Ilkay Özkisaoglu - Co-Founder Composites Lounge: Das war's dann von meiner Seite aus. Vielen Dank für dieses offene Wort, auch aus dem Mund eines wirklich qualifizierten Volkswirtschaftlers, und du bist ja jetzt hast ja schon gesagt, viele, viele Jahre auch an der Spitze der AVK, und du kennst die Industrie, und ich bin ja so an der Basis, mit Experten, mit den Messebetreibern, mit den Investoren hier am sprechen, und natürlich ist es immer wieder mal so ein Thema, und deswegen freut es mich, dass wir mal darüber sprechen konnten. Vielleicht sprechen wir auch mal in einer Gruppe in einem größeren Rahmen darüber. Jetzt wünsche ich dir eine schöne restliche Verlauf. Der JEC World, vielen Dank, und wir sehen uns bis bald. #00:06:31-7#
Ilkay Özkisaoglu - Co-Founder Composites Lounge: Wir sind auf dem Stand hier auf der JEC World 2024 von der Composites United (CU), und zu meiner Linken ist Gunar Merz, Hauptgeschäftsführer von CU, Bastian Brenken, Geschäftsführer von CU Nord, und wir wollen mit euch einmal über das CU Ecosystem natürlich sprechen, was die Mitglieder davon haben, und das neue Thema, mit dem TTP LB, das leidige Thema, spreche ich mit Gunnar ganz kurz durch. Gunnar, du bist jetzt hier auf der JEC in einer ganz speziellen Funktion hier unterwegs. Du bist mit Berlin natürlich auch sehr stark verbunden und in der Kommunikation und im Dialog. Nun hat die Community, die Composites Community, eine Botschaft erreicht, so ganz kurzfristig bei mir ist es mit einer Pressemitteilung vom AVK hereingeflogen in die Mailbox, und ich hab gedacht, ich lese nicht richtig, wir haben ja letztes Jahr bei der Composites Lounge Conference, die Vierte am 7.3.2023, die wir von aus gestreamt haben, war ja der parlamentarische Staatssekretär, der Herr mich kenne, vom Bundesministerium für Wirtschaft und Klimaschutz, bei geschaltet und hat gesagt, wir machen eine Leichtbau Strategie im Sommer. Die wird verabschiedet und verkündete auch die freudige Nachricht, dass der Topf erhöht worden ist, nämlich auf satte 140 Millionen Euro. Jetzt im Januar 2024, kurzfristig haben die sich in Luft aufgelöst. War das so überraschend? Wie ist so dein Empfinden? #00:08:15-9#
Dr Gunnar Merz - GF Composites United: Ja, ich meine, wir als Kompositionen sind ja vertreten im Beirat der Leichtbauinitiative des BMW. Wir haben diese Strategie mitentwickelt, mit anderen Partnern, haben sie dann in eine Strategie der Bundesregierung überführt, und ehrlich gesagt waren wir natürlich von dieser Nachricht jetzt sehr enttäuscht. Also das hat uns ich sehr hart getroffen. Wir haben nicht damit gerechnet, denn wir haben gesagt, dass natürlich der Leichtbau für Deutschland auch eine Schlüsseltechnologie ist und zukünftig Arbeitsplätze sichern wird, dass er essenziell ist auch für den Klimaschutz, weil es geht nicht mehr ohne Leichtbau, um Windenergie oder Wasserstoff Technologie zu betreiben. Und umso stärker hat es uns eigentlich, man muss schon sagen, geschockt, dass dieses Programm von der Bundesregierung ausgesetzt wurde, denn wir haben auch innerhalb Europas sehr viel Werbung damit gemacht. Wir haben das European Lightweighting Network, auch initiiert vom Bundeswirtschaftsministerium, stark gefördert. Wir haben sehr viele europäische Länder gewinnen können, da mitzumachen, eine europäische Strategie zu entwickeln. Die EU-Kommission hat jetzt erst kürzlich ein Papier veröffentlicht, in dem Advanced Materials, unter denen auch die Leichtbau Materialien zu rechnen sind, eine entscheidende Bedeutung für die Zukunft Europas haben. Und umso mehr haben wir uns uns jetzt über diesen deutschen Ansatz gewundert. Wir waren der Initiator, und in Deutschland hat man den Stecker gezogen. Also sehr große Enttäuschung. Aber wir haben mit dem Wirtschaftsministerium eben ausgemacht, dass wir so schnell aufgeben. Also, wir sehen uns so ein bisschen wie der Boxer, der angeschlagen ist im Ring, und diese Boxer sind besonders gefährlich. Wir werden also weiter kämpfen und werden sehen, dass bei nächster Gelegenheit diese Mittel dann irgendwo wieder zur Verfügung gestellt werden können. Aber wir müssen uns vielleicht auch ein bisschen an die eigene Nase fassen, dass es uns nicht gelungen ist, die Bedeutung des Leichtbaus gegenüber der Politik wirklich eindeutig darzustellen. Ich glaube die, die Message ist bei den Politikern nicht so ganz angekommen. Deswegen müssen wir vielleicht bisschen selbst kritisch sein und müssen sagen, wir müssen auch vielleicht in unserer Strategie der Kommunikation etwas verändern, dass die Bedeutung einfach deutlicher wird, und das wird das Ziel sein. Daran werden wir jetzt in Zukunft hart arbeiten, und so schnell geben wir nicht auf. #00:10:22-9#
Ilkay Özkisaoglu - Co-Founder Composites Lounge: Und dann hake ich gleich mal als Kommunikationsfachmann ein, lieber Gunnar: wie wollen wir das kommunizieren? Was wäre so aus deiner Sicht? Wollen wir es mal von der Herausforderung her angehen, wenn diese 140 Millionen Euro nicht zur Verfügung stehen? Welche Folgen hat das für die Innovation und die Nachhaltigkeit? Was kannst du dir darunter vorstellen, wenn das nicht zur Verfügung steht, dass man das vielleicht der Politik, den Entscheidungsträgern auch nochmal klarmacht, was daraus folgt? #00:10:54-5#
Dr Gunnar Merz - GF Composites United: Ja ist ganz eindeutig, der Leichtbau ist natürlich etabliert in der Luftfahrt. Da ist es ja auch nicht mehr wegzudenken. Das ist ganz klar, das weiß auch jeder, da nutzt es auch jeder. Aber es gibt ja auch so Schwellenbranchen, also Branchen, die eigentlich dieses Material sehr gut vertragen würden, wie zum Beispiel der Schiffbau oder auch im Bauwesen. Diese Branchen, die mit den Werkstoffen bisher nicht gearbeitet haben und natürlich eine gewisse Herausforderung haben, neue Werkstoffe zu etablieren, und diese Herausforderungen sind dann so hoch, dass ich hoffe, dass ich befürchte, muss man sagen, dass viele Branchen diese Werkstoffe nicht einsetzen. Man kann also nur hoffen, dass der internationale Druck, den wir haben, weil wir sehen, in allen anderen Ländern, in USA, sehen wir das. Wir sehen das in Asien, dort wird diese Technologie vorangetrieben, und sie wird so stark vorangetrieben, dass wir um einen Wettbewerbsvorteil auch fürchten müssen. Deswegen hoffe ich sehr, dass irgendwann es gelingen wird, dass dieser Bereich wieder gefördert wird, um eben gerade auch zukunftssichere Jobs in Deutschland zu schaffen. Die schaffen wir eben nur, in dem bestimmte Branchen wie das Bauwesen oder der Schiffbau auf diese Materialien setzen, sie einsetzt und sie zu einem Wettbewerbsvorteil auch nutzt. Dieses Potenzial ist eigentlich für uns als Experten sonnenklar. Aber wir müssen natürlich Überzeugungsarbeit leisten, und diese, wie gesagt, diese Hürden, die man hat am Anfang, die müssen überwunden werden, und die Herausforderung können nur durch Förderprogramme dann entsprechend minimiert werden. Nur dann sind die Firmen bereit, auch in dieses Risiko zu gehen gehen, und da brauchen wir in Deutschland, glaube ich, auch so wieder so ein bisschen die Mentalität, dass man wirklich mut hat zu verändern. Mut braucht man auch, wenn das finanzielle Risiko durch die Politik ein bisschen gepuffert wird und wenn vor allen Dingen auch die Rahmenbedingungen durch irgendwelche Regularien, die kommen, auch so sind, dass wir uns da keine Nachteile von erarbeiten. #00:12:46-7#
Ilkay Özkisaoglu - Co-Founder Composites Lounge: Also klarer kann man eine Botschaft gar nicht ausdrücken, lieber Gunnar. Vielen dank, und ich denke, liebe Community, ihr habt auf jeden Fall hier auch verstanden, was hier auf dem Spiel steht. Ich wünsche euch noch einen schönen restlichen Tag, gute Gespräche, und wir sehen uns bald wieder! Vielen Dank! #00:13:03-4#
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